FIXING Pathfinder for World of Warcraft

devs think otherwise.

Thats all that counts.

and once we never even had flight.

People lived happily even.

depends.
flying does effect economy. (farming is easier)

Flying effects pvp. (why risk death if u can rarely touch ground?)

and (to some) once get flying and beat all content they unsub. (this is lost $ to blizz)

not hard.
i took literally 3 month break and did it b4 patch hit w/o even doing wq’s non stop. (or using rep bonus from dmf/contracts)

but achievement is acct wide…why make em pay for it???

or u mean buying it and selling it to other people? cause thats just stupid and if they wanted that they’d offer it themselves like in past with flight book in wrath (example)

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it doesn’t matter what the patch cycle is. pathfinder was wrong from it’s very inception, a bungled attempt at time-gating that was unnecessary and completely wasted a brilliant opportunity on blizzard’s part.

imagine that instead of an achievement like pathfinder, instead you had zone by zone quests.

you get to Boralus at the beginning of BfA, and you can’t fly because they have harpoon launchers and net-cannons all over the harbor. you gotta go do the proudmoore quests and play through the story of the zone before you earn a Proudmoore Flight Permit. this permit wouldn’t even need to be account bound if they paced the questing reasonably well.

then you go to Drustvar. Do the waycrest questline and open up the order of embers. the witches have worked a massive enchantment net over the entire zone, and various elite shades and spirits fly above the cursed lands. you have to do quests for the order of embers to clear out the focal points and nodes where the witches have placed their fetishes or dreamcatcher doohickeys or shrines, there’s dozens of possibilities there. once you break enough of their stuff, it becomes safe to fly again. same as with the proudmoore flight permit for boralus, proper pacing negates the need to make it account bound.

off to stormsong. the tentacle cultists have disturbed the natural order, and eldritch powers have brought unnatural storms over the region. disrupt their rituals and restore the natural balance between the shore and the sea, and the storm recedes, allowing you to fly in stormsong valley.

then when you get to mechagon, half the work for this one is already in game. there’s already anti-air patrols there that will shoot you down if you aren’t careful. i would have put in massive anti-air suppression batteries of various weapons all over the island. then i would have added a rustbolt questline to clear them out one by one. once you get them clear, have a questline to build friendly anti-air stations to fight off the aerial suppression units, and have the prince there award you a Mechagon IFF(Identify Friend or Foe) transponder, allowing you to fly over mechagon. thanks to the nature of gnomish engineering, they could have the emplacements break down and require occasional repeatable quests on the island to repair them and keep flight working.

for nazjatar i would have had the naga using enslaved rays doing anti-air patrols, and give you quests with the ankoan, to work your way through the zone retaking the skies. once you explore the zone and do all the quests taking out the naga patrols you’d then be able to fly through nazjatar.

for zandalar i would have it where as the alliance goes in they have to establish the outposts and then do quests in every zone to gain air supremacy. you establish a beachhead, fight your way into the respective zone and take out whatever anti-air mechanics are put in for that zone. then you can have world quests to keep your flight capability for those zones.

for warfronts like arathi basin and darkshore, you could have flying be a part of that. when one faction takes over the zone, they get flying. when there’s a faction population imbalance, throw in an underdog buff or reduce the resources required for your side to contribute to take the warfront back.

pathfinder had -so much- potential, and blizzard wiped their posterior with it and gave us an achievement grind instead.

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I’m on now in Northshire Abbey as MythicTyrant. How do I join?

Actually, they could easily make part one apply only to the initial zones of an expansion and have it available to be earned without any further patches. Part two could apply only to the later zones and be earnable with those zones alone. Completing either part would allow for flight in the relevant areas.

But, that’s not how Blizz decided to go. Just because this is the way it is doesn’t mean this is the best way.

For the record, I prefer Pathfinder to buying gold for each and every alt only once they hit max. I love, love, love that my alts don’t have to run around on the ground as they level through an expansion.

Anyone who wants to fly at max with gold obviously doesn’t have alts because they’ll be spending way more time on the ground otherwise. I do the content on the ground once, then my alts all fly as soon as they enter the expansion–even alts that technically aren’t high enough for the xpac. I had a lvl 79 mage flying around Zuldazar the other day just because I could.

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RP server, m’dear. Don’t be surprised if that name gets you flagged for a name change. :wink:

I’ll be on in a sec on Thallia.

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this is one of the best post suggestions I have read in a long time

that’s some solid thinking right there! love it!

We already have to do that just to get the thing, so no, it should not be time gated.

Artificial extension of played time, since you waste said time in a ground mount from place to place, even though you have already done the meaningful content.

Also, there are some parts of Pathfinder that simply don’t make any sense, like reputation.

Reputation vendors give you a cost reduction in their shop after a certain rep level, what does rep do for Pathfinder other than waster your time? Nothing.

The only things that make sense for Pathfinder are exploration and questlines, because those are the only things that prove that you actually experienced the content. Wide World of Quests is also just a waste of time that proves nothing really.

You talked about making it available with gold later on. There’s an even better solution: make Pathfinder single patch only to fly, there absolutely no reason to time gate it on top of the achievements and on the next path allow it for gold.

I’d be down to wait for the gold patch, since they have been making the game less alt friendly as of late.

At least Legion had interesting content, both in the main story and class specific, which made me play way more alts than I should’ve. BfA has none of that and it has the worst system I’ve seen for endgame progression in the Hearth of Azeroth.

At least with spec weapons you were getting a new thing every level, not unlocking the ability to use an old trait with higher item level.

TL;DR: if the content was better, Pathfinder wouldn’t be so much of an issue, even it being as bad it is right now.

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That actually is a very cool suggestion. :slight_smile:

This is what makes the most sense to me.

Someone suggested awhile ago that if they were to have a part 2 it should only apply to the newer zones of that content patch.

That too made sense but I would much rather they kept it simple and cut it down to one meta available from day one.

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I’m still fine with the two-part system, personally, but only if they turn down the gating. We don’t need to wait nearly a year before we are able to fly.

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I enjoyed making gold for flight, there are lots of ways to do that. I don’t enjoy grinding rep, or doing every quest, there’s few and just one way to do those things respectively, so I’ve never done pathfinder. If it was available immediately or at least close to launch I’d perhaps consider it, (that’s the only time I’m going to be in, say, Kul’Tiras is early in the expansion), but currently I don’t play enough so I’d only be doing it to lose it again all too soon. So I just don’t bother. The sheer inconvenience isn’t worth the convenience, and that’s all it is. Why do I get the feeling this is working as intended?

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The fact that you call it ‘fixing’ pretty much writes off anything you say.

Having Pathfinder means you have in fact explored every nut and cranny on the ground. However, it makes no sense to keep it once the expansion has ended thanks to Blizzard’s clever design of obliterating all previous content.

Tie flying to a quest chain, give reason foe granting it…put the quest chain in after the story is completed for tje area.

Flying should be for WQ rep grinding…not the result of it.

The reason people hate it, is that it unlocks when you no longer have a reason to be there…people just want it for the WQ geind and boss farming.

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If you the exploration and the story properly you should have the rep. Aka some some side quests along the way not just the main story line quests and you’ll be swimming in rep. this has happened on every single one of my toons since pf came out. Basically if you play the game and do ALL the quests in a zone and i do mean ALL of them you’ll have the rep and more than whats actually needed for the achievement.

You are almost there!!
IMO if (I still hope for relief) if Pathfinder continues Part I should take no more than 4-6 weeks and allows flight in the opening zones. Part 2/3 would be for any new zones no more than 4 weeks. 6 weeks is more than enough time to “experience the content”, even a slowly like me could have done everything by then (didn’t rush to do the war campaign because why??)
Even better would be for Part I be findable from the start and if I really wanted to I could no-life it in a couple weeks.

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The only time we didn’t have flying was Vanilla, if that’s what you want Classic is thataway =====÷>
As for the $$, im unsubbing at the end of BfA and I’m not going to purchase the next expac and resub until just before flight is fully unlocked (for illustration under BfA this would have cost them 10 months of my sub). I’m seriously expecting many to join me in this. Flight incentivizes me to participate in content, not flying doesn’t.

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Because you would be correct. Pathfinder is the devs being spiteful and trying to kill flying with inconvenience. In my case it will do nothing except backfire.

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I think Pathfinder should just be an option. For those who prefer to fly right away and to play the game their way, flight should be available per toon for gold at max level.

Until and unless this happens, I will continue to not buy expansions.

#Pathfinder sucks

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So far, I’m really appreciating all of the constructive feedback that everyone is giving! I will be reading all of your comments and implement them into the video as well!

Thank you! :slight_smile:

I didn’t mind it at all until I hit mechagon. most rep comes seems to come from the daily killing of 3 rares. I’ll run around for 20 minutes and none of them are up. One pops up and I rush to get there only to see 3 or 4 people flying off after downing it. Its boring time gated content. People who already have flying have an advantage in getting to the mobs you need to kill to get flying. Overall very frustrating and not very fun - especially with limited time to play.

Rep grind for flight is one thing - a rep grind that is locked behind rares and hindered because i don’t have flight already is another.

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