So now that I have 30 minutes to waste here we go!
Take away the ability to kick people from expeditions or some other way of proving that the said person is doing something that validates a kick.
Running around in normal island expedition 120 geared enough to pull a lot and not die BUT!
I go away from group pull one group off adds kill them go to next one BAM kicked! no reason! players never said anything just out of the blue kick out of the group now I have to WAIT 30 MIN! tell I can que for another one… come on! I get penalized for people abusing the kick feature? the hell Blizz.
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I just stay with the group and I don’t get kicked. I would prolly not kick you unless it was taking too long.
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its was like 2 min into the island. full on trolling and no way to report them… its bull crap.
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or you could stop being toxic. they should increase the time to 12 hours like it was originally intended.
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explain how im being toxic and then we will go from there sir.
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There are programs that can done a simple check on reason kick. It can flag if person not doing what require. Then simple look in ones who are. if doing what require. The people who kick get punish. Account bound can not kick for a week. it increase over time. Now if a mmo could do this back in 2007. I know they can now.
the other two didn’t want you, reason enough to kick
I agree the 30 minute debuff sucks but just log an alt
though I do think blizz should keep tabs on kicking, if a two person group is constantly kicking the third with less then 200-300 resources left to go it’s obvious their grieving and deserve punishment.
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Definitely a jerk move, but unfortunately it is working as intended. If the other participants didn’t want to play with you, they have the right to remove you. It doesn’t matter what the reason is, used to be tanks and healers could hold dungeon groups hostage if they queued into one they didn’t want to do, until they got kicked. And there was no penalty, so it became a significant problem. It’s a case of majority rules.
Were it me, I probably wouldn’t have kicked you if you were close by, just in a different direction (and didn’t run well off without clearing it with the rest of us). But the other two people might have wanted the group to stick together, which ideally it should. I too wish the system would treat expeditions differently, given there are only 3 total people, but for now it is what it is.
We can only hope. 10 more min to go! I just wish there was a report system I could use…
https://us.forums.blizzard.com/en/wow/search?q=kick%20from%20islands%20expedition
Just look at other posts about this, I’m just kinda bored of this thread.
Votekick is the best solution for random group queue, if you don’t like it you’re free to make your own group.
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Lol, a monk asking to have “the kick” fixed
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And how would you propose the programmers do that?
What would “validate a kick” (programmable in computer code)?
If the majority wants you gone, they vote kick you. No reason needed.
No program can make judgment calls on the motives of the players doing the voting. They cannot read the player’s minds and say “that’s not valid”.
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You do not seem to understand. A program can be made to see if person doing job. That real easy. It also can if not. Then it simple. Either have it flag doing or not doing. Then have someone look over it. That only problem I see.
VtK is broken and everybody knows it. The people defending its implementation are stupid and/or terrible human beings.
How to fix:
- Show the person initiating the vote. Why is it anonymous? That’s idiotic.
- Cooldown between votes. Why can the same person repeatedly spam the kick dialog repeatedly and anonymously? It’s completely asinine.
- Don’t allow votes during combat. This is all common sense.
You’d have to be a complete moron to design a system like this.
Then only conclusion here is that some part of this company is deliberately reinforcing really sick group dynamics to the detriment of all the players.
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What defines “what require”?
How can that be programmed into the game?
There is no game requirements that need to be met on an Island Expedition.
The goal is to get the required amount of azurite before the enemy does but how you go about that is strictly up to the players. The game program does not and cannot make judgment calls on “proper tactics”.
As far as “reason kick” goes. If there was some check on that then players would just choose a valid reason even it that was not the real reason, just to “satisfy” the system.
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- Show the person being kicked the reason and give them a chance to talk in the group before kicking them
WHY NOT??
Mob rule fails.
I think in some situations they could add something like choosing a reason for vote kick. If they choose “afk” it would put a bg like debuff timer for them to get into combat.
Maybe 3 options. Afk, trolling, and gameplay. With maybe each only active after a certain amount of time for each after the random group formed. Say, 2 minutes after group formed for afk, 5 for trolling, 5-10 for gameplay. It could probably help cut down on a lot of the abuses. A proper time limit on the kick options could give the kickers time to really consider if they want to do it or to realize that maybe someone wasn’t really afk. And maybe if it is for gameplay reasons, the deserter could be significantly less.
Surely there is some brainstorming that could take place. 30 minutes for those that really didn’t do anything wrong should be addressed by now.
Yup, this is easy. I have never got kicked either, never even seen a vote to kick a person who was with the group.
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Votekick isn’t broken, you just don’t agree with how people use it.
As for the fix you propose, someone in combat doesn’t mean he’s not a troll or isn’t doing something the group doesn’t want to. Cooldown between votes already exist. As for why the person is anonymous it’s the whisleblower explanation, you don,t want someone to get “bullied” for having tried to kick someone. As for giving the person the reason it wouldn’t serve to anything, most people put a generic reason or a joke because they know why they’re kicking someone. And giving the chance for the people kicked to talk, well if you kick someone from a raid you’ll see the worst out of people, them trying to ninja pull or just going full stupid with what they’re gonna say.
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Ah this perennial one. Just reduce the debuff from 30min to 15min. There. Blizz doesn’t actually have to do any real work and the players aren’t as screwed. Win. Win.