- weekly vault is still m+ bis for most gear slots which should never happen
- discourages pvp players from m+ (in addition to already used up +10-15 weekly vaults for pvp gear, pvpers have to waste ANOTHER +20 weekly vaults just to get bis m+ gear)
- ZERO catch-up mechanics for alts to bis gear because it’s tied to weekly vault
- upgrades only go up to 441 ilvl, weekly vault is 447. so wasting +20 weekly vaults for EACH ALT is unavoidable. insane alt grinding for an “alt-friendly” expansion
- don’t even know if the new pve currencies are alt-transferrable. if not this forces insane grinding for alts
- account-wide discounts mean little when your alts have very little currency to begin with
- m+ bis also comes from crafting BUT the craft order process is still terrible
- why do we have to contact someone to craft our bis gear instead of self-automating it in the self-use craft table??
- m+ gearing is still terrible because of the reduced pve loot implemented in the Shadowlands expansion
- bis gear should always be from and for their specific content; bis m+ from m+ ONLY
- lastly mythic raid is still m+ bis for some gear slots, forcing m+ to mythic raid.
- a lot of m+ players hate mythic raiding, stop forcing this
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Just allow upgrading up to vault level with a rating requirement, ez fix
And don’t delay tier sets for M+ players
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BIS doesn’t mean “must have” gear. BIS is the theoretical best gear you could possibly get with 0 restrictions like running M+ or Mythic raiding from drops, and these lists typically don’t count crafted items and their embellishments. For most classes, it is about getting the highest ilvl and best stat distribution.
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The weekly vault is not the primary gearing method. It is not “bis” gear. M+ and raid drops are the primary gearing method. They combine to make a bis list.
The weekly vault is power creep. It over-rewards gear to allow players to continue to progress past what M+ and raid drop.
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This.
A lot of people act like it is the only way.
Tbh I’d rather NOT have pvp players in m+. Have you seen pvp players in chromie time or time walking? 60% of the toxicity comes from them.
Maybe it isn’t an alt friendly expansion. I don’t like the grind for BIS and gear but it is what it is. I have given up on asking for them to stop forcing us to do raids and vice versa because its probably not going to happen. Countless people have already said this before.
People complain m+ loot is too good and raid is pointless, then two threads up is a thread complaining about the inverse. Raid drops better gear but less of it, M+ drops more gear but of lower level. Sounds balanced to me.
My questions are:
- Is Season 2 KSM on 2000 M Rating?
- Would KSM be the same as Season 1… completing mostly +12s/+13s? Which is ilevel 434 on Vault… which is just Champion level (415 to 437) on upgrades
- Heroic Raid loots are ilevel 428 and has Hero level (428 to 441) on upgrades
Looks like Heroic Raid = M+17. If you want to do AoTC, you should be at 434 to 441 in ilevel. I hope they bring now a Mount Reward for AoTC. I didnt get one on Season 1 AoTC. I was not happy.
At least now, I could get ways to upgrade gear… outside of M+ and Raid. The trick is… get loots from End of Dungeon of M+17s and/or Heroic Raid. And upgrade them from all sources… weeklies, M+ and Raids. In summary, you just have to play the game. ROFL.
I am up for it even if I am just Casual. My issue is Diablo 4. I might leave WoW for awhile. We will see.
That’s because the people who don’t do both don’t feel like they shouldnt and want everything perfect for their one playstyle.
It’s no difference from solo players demanding high I level gear either
Raid only drops better gear off the last boss or 2, which takes months to get to for most guilds.
The vast majority of a Mythic raid team’s gear, for most of progression, comes from m+. The entire game is now designed around m+ (except maybe pvp, i dunno).
BiS gear comes from BiS content.
News at Seven, Nine and Eleven.
And the vault is how they allow us to not have lockouts for M+. Imagine if you could only run a dungeon once a week. Opps, missed on time, good luck next week, your done with that dungeon for this week.
Did you just solve the leaving crisis?
I think you did
It’s less of a ilvl difference than it has been though. Thats a big plus.
Yes
It’s more like 13s/14s
Crafted gear goes to 447, it’s going to end up being the best for most slots. Specially since you can pick stats.
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Yup! that too. And a 6 ilvl difference isn’t that big.
I would like to see them add an item to increase your maxed out 441 gear to 447 with 6 or 12 Season 2 Vault Coins.
BiS gear should only be bis for and from their specific content. bis m+ gear from m+, bis raid from raid, bis pvp from pvp
bis-specific gear should be nerfed outside of their content AND not locked to the weekly vault for easier transition into other specific content. weekly vault should be an extra bis loot, NOT the only bis loot
most raiders mainly wanna raid only, most m+ mainly wanna m+ only, and most pvpers mainly wanna pvp only. reward them with higher ilvl to their specific content only so they’re not forced to waste time getting bis gear from unwanted content
Naw.
Don’t miss carrying around full sets gear for every spec and type of content, or having to deep dive into every form of content to get gear for every type of content.
Idk, I think that might be overblown or a bigger issue on the forums. Most people I know enjoy both. Except PvP people, they tend to stick to PvP from what I’ve seen.
Personally I’d rather skip raiding, but I know a lot who feel differently.
- spec gear should never depend on content
- searching gear in your updated backpack UI and setting up gear sets is WAY easier than mythic raiding…
can’t appeal to everyone. you appeal to a minority, i appeal to the majority
i kno very few. most just want to excel in their one specific content AND transition into other contents easily without being timegated/locked to the weekly vault after a couple of weeks which it should be