Fix the AH you broke with exorbitant deposit prices

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You are managing for the exception. Because some people were posting a lot of single stacks on the AH someone came up with the idea to increase the cost of posting items on the AH for some sources.

Now I get a rare item I can finally sell to get money from someone who needs the transmog but it costs 38G to post it on the AH. One rare item is fine but now I have about 20 I d like to sell. The problem is that the deposits are so high that people rely on the value for the region from TSM and those values are sky high.

Nobody buys transmogs anymore because prices are too high and fees are too high. I get it you had too much gold in Legion in the economy and you wanted to remove it but this is ridiculous. The AH is the only place to be able to make good profits on rare items but it requires to spend hundreds of gold every 2 days to relist items that sold maybe once every 2 or 3 weeks. This is not right.

You should have fixed the way items are deposited on the AH instead of punishing people who are trying to gain gold to buy the stuff you overpriced like the AH mount. Instead you implemented an increase charge on the AH and it makes making gold a major pain for those of us who don t play 20 hrs a day.

Fix your Auction House, lower the price of items at least for the ones that CAN NOT STACK. For crying out loud everybody I talk to complains about the auction house

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Hrm…sorry to break this to you but the prices changes were only for trade skill mats.

The prices on mog have always been based on vendor sell price and were not changed.

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Please read this blue post as to how the AH deposit works:

To address some issues related to the Auction House, we’re reconsidering how deposits—the refundable fees you pay to list your auctions—are calculated. This fee is based on the item’s vendor price, and for profession materials in particular, vendors offer very low prices, so these mats have a low deposit cost. Deposits are substantial on items such as BoE uncommon gear, gems, and so forth, but not trade skill materials (trade goods such as cloth, ore, leather, etc.).

One thing we’ve identified as particularly troublesome is a large volume of trade skill materials being auctioned off in stacks of 1. Some addons make posting quantities of this size trivial to do, resulting in dozens, if not hundreds, of pages of auctions for a single item. As we looked at ways to change this behavior and improve the overall Auction House experience, we found that we prefer to avoid inflexible solutions such as caps on the number of listings a player can make, or increased minimum stack counts, which might interfere with many players’ common gameplay habits.

Our current plan is to increase the deposit cost of some profession materials on a per-stack basis, which should provide incentive for players to post items in larger stacks.

Here’s an example:

• Let’s say that a player is trying to sell 200 Tidespray Linen for 10g (gold) each. Today, each item has the normal deposit cost of 1c (copper), with a 1s (silver) minimum deposit, so 1 auction of 200 linen requires a deposit of 1s, and 200 auctions of 1 linen each adds up to a total deposit of 2g.

• Now imagine an additional 20% deposit added to the listing fee per auction. With an asking price of 10g each, that raises the deposit by 2g per stack. In the case of 1 stack of 200 linen, the total buyout price is 2000g, and the new deposit is 2g1s. In the case of 200 individual stacks, the new deposit of an additional 2g per stack brings the total deposit up to 402g.

In either case, the deposit is returned to the seller if the item sells. Successful auctions aren’t affected by this change.

Our goal is to give players some forewarning on this change, and to gather feedback. We’re putting together a list of the items that would be affected by this deposit change, which we expect to be limited to high-quantity trade goods. Furthermore, we’re deploying the change to the PTR first, so that addon authors can work through the change while we test it thoroughly.

This change will likely be a temporary measure, as we’re also working to broadly improve the default Auction House in the future. It’s clear to us that many players use addons because they find the default Auction House interface inadequate. A temporary change to deposit fees will help with this in the short term, and we’ll continue to work on overall improvements to the Auction House for a future patch.

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But if an item is worth several thousand gold because it is rare. You try to sell it even for 250G which is nothing and then get hit by a 38G deposit. How exactly does this help the economy and people? I understand the stack issue but why are items so pricey to list and why is this a vendor price logic?

EDIT: I post items worth 5% of what others are posting them as. And I always lose the deposits because nobody buys mogs like before anymore because making gold is very hard now. That to me explains why there are more bots now as people probably buy gold because of it

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It fixed the 1500 posts of 1 clutter. Just fix the lag and remodel the UI and we got a solid deal.

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Gold is easy to make what are you talking about lol. Also mog is a slow sell along with mounts so if you’re expecting a fast return find something else to flip/sell. Try youtube videos and gold making guides.

I’ve made 15 mill in at most 6 months so don’t tell me golds hard to make. That’s chump change to some people making a mill a day but I’m doing it on one realm compared to their 20+ realms. I also have never bought gold nor used a token for the gold value, I only ever use it for bnet balance or wow time.

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That is always how gear deposits have worked - based on their vendor price. And that has always made gear deposits quite high relative to other deposits, at least until they changed the deposit rules for mats. There can be some exceptions, like some crafted gear items like I think the darkmoon trinkets, but the vast majority have really high deposit prices.

But most people didn’t realize how gear deposits have always been working, and that’s why people could go broke selling gear that they get at reasonable prices because if they relist an item even a few times, if and when it sells, you won’t recover all the lost deposits when it didn’t sell.

As a general rule, I’ve never tried to sell gear on the AH, especially greens and most blues. I just send them to my alt with enchanting to disenchant them. But if it’s something worth a lot, and that would mean at least 1000g, then I’d consider trying to sell it. But even then, I won’t try for more than a couple of weeks. Only items in the multiple 1000g price range are worth bothering for that.

So if you want to sell gear for gold, you need to be really picky about what you sell and either focus on things that will turn over relatively quickly or items that are worth a lot and can make up for the many times you have to list them and lose the deposits.

/moo :cow:

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I think another part of the problem is that WoW is approaching its 15th year and many people probably have those mogs already. And frankly, I see a lot of expensive mogs that are downright ugly, rare though they may be. And I’ve figured out that most of the color-palates make a lot more sense if you play a Horde race.

Then there’s the fact that people will undercut brutally just to get the stuff out of their bags. I don’t even bother with mogs “worth” less than 5k gold anymore. They get vendored immediately if I don’t need them for my own mogs.

But I basically agree that the prices to post some of this stuff is outrageous when you factor in the likelihood that it’s probably got a 5% chance of actually selling.

But again, this is why I basically gave up on mogs for gold-making long ago. And I have a maxed Tailor and Blacksmith with a lot of rare patterns.

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To be honest where I’m at, I’m not bragging either but just giving an example. I was very frugal with my gold for most of this game, but now that I know how the market works I don’t mind throwing 1/4 of a mill gold at it as long as I know I’ll make a return. For example some moron posted a 415 cloak on my realm as bid only, it was like at 2k gold but I didn’t want to sit there and fight/bid it up for another 6 hrs, I just threw up 75k on it to scare people away. Still sold it for 150k. A profits a profit. I had it up for maybe 3 hours.

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If i didn’t reinvest my gold this past 3 days I would be up about 600k as I sit right now, but I threw it back into the market on stuff that I know will sell quick and some not so quick. Just got to educate your self with youtube etc.

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Max level gear is a bit different tho. But great snipe, worthy of a little, ahem, pride.

As for pure transmog pieces, another issue is your sever. I started playing in Legion and was shuffled into a “New Player” server, which Dalaran was when I started. And it was (and is) a mix of players who had been there for years (and didn’t need the mogs), and new players who were basically broke and couldn’t afford those 200k green and purple gloves.

It’s like that still, and the Tmog market has basically cratered. Almost everything is so cheap it’s not worth the bag-space to me.

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Read the full blue post, it’s not for the economy or the people it is a temporary solution to the crippling lag the AH was experiencing due to technical limitations that are going to take awhile to fix.

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I was posting 10k or more items a day, imagine doing that with materials. It was just to make people want to post in higher stacks than 1 when it came to crafting materials or items that stacked.

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No thanks. The auction house was unusable because people just couldn’t control themselves and had to post literally everything they sold in single stacks.

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There was a ton of people doing that. It was ridiculous. I am perfectly happy not having to scroll through hundreds of 1 item auctions.

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Not all items actually have the value that people post it for. Even if you’re giving a 95% discount. Vendor the item and you’ll make back your deposit.

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Those didn’t increase in price because you can’t sell those in stacks. That deposit fee is based on the vendor price.

All that 340 crafted gear ranges in deposit fees from around 11g to 40g for a 12 hour auction. So to get 80g deposit fee, your vendor price is probably over the 100g mark and you are trying to post for 24 hours or in the 50g range and you are trying to post for 48 hours.

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If you are trying to sell an item that is rare and desirable which normally sells for several thousand gold for 250g, just advertise it on trade. You are on moonguard it will sell with no problem and you don’t have to pay any deposit fee.

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This is NOT the result of the deposit change. The change did NOT change the deposit on 1 item. If it is 38G now, it was 38G before.

I run into this problem a lot. I made a bunch of iLevel 225 gear. The deposit is 10-20g on each item, and they don’t sell. So I can’t sell them…

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The AH has slowed down lately, always does in prepatch times when a bunch of players take time out to play something else for a while.

Also there seem to be very few new players in WoW these days, and the veteran players have these old transmogs already. I have hundreds of once popular items just stored away, because it’s not worth posting them these days.

The prices for gear have nothing to do with the badly needed changes Blizzard made to mat posting prices. They’re just a pain now that the market for old mogs has flopped.