yes he is, and last time they listened to a boomkin they ruined the game almost forever. Not namin names.
Healers all think they should be able to face tank multiple melee without peels and do so without using any CD.
This version of rogue is incredible, just gotta
manage your energy and CP better.
To be really fair all the escalation in power started in TBC, this is merely the final form. Overall if you get use too it; its fun.
Assassination and pop all CDs like it’s a raid boss.
Works most of the time.
Nah, rogues deserve this after cata.
Look, if you are bad stop picking classes that require setup and skill in PVP.
Go warrior or hunter.
Rogue is still fine in PVP and people with get R1 on rogue. You are just bad. Stop trying to dumb down the game to meet your skill level.
You are a noob. Subtlety rogue is still the best arena spec. You are just bad like the OP.
Stop trying to play a class you can’t play.
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I dont hold Cata against rogues. That was just pure brain rot.
the dinguses that annoyed you already re-rolled warriors because they are such skilled pvp gods.
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Lol reminds me of the “works every time, 60% of the time”
Muti is strong, so is combat… Combat with weapons is terrifying. Nice part about muti; ya dont need weapons, its like a warlock with melee range DoT.
Rogues have been EXTREME HYPER S+++ META for well for 20+ years, its okay if they aren’t by far the most broken class in arena for once.
When you said rogue I giggle a little knowing deep down the reality is Mage, Lock and Druid have been stronger in every single expansion excluding TBC where rogue comparable.
I say this as someone who has deep rooted rogue hate.
Skill issue
Edit:
I realize this is 2 weeks old but that’s a gear issue.
Details =/= pvp ability. rogues burst in windows and basically do nothing / shouldn’t want to do anything outside of them. You can do a lot of damage playing right but you shouldn’t want to play like a warrior and just sustain someone down that’s not how this works.
If you manage your cds and goes you can do a mini go every 23-30 seconds with dance goes every minute. Fishing for restealths is kinda important in MoP, practice being aware of your combat state 24/7 and don’t just press buttons because you have them.
anyone who knows anything about mop should’ve been able to point out that it was the only expansion where rogue wasn’t S+ Tier. But it’s a solid class regardless because rogue. Probably the weakest we’ve ever been in history tho.
Yeah, this is actually why I joined the fourms in the first place. To complain on rogue forums about how they were going forward with this design and to caution people crying like OP is here because we were actually being lined up for sweeping nerfs. and, well. Anyway, back on topic.
I don’t want to harsh your Retail experience but 2k on retail means nothing on classic if you don’t know what you’re doing. It’s like me saying I’m 2400 in wotlk i should be better on retail? Why would it translate they’re different games.
You have to keep slice rolling as subtlety, and only use finishers with 4+ points to ensure you have the highest chance of refunding your energy costs.
You don’t spam builders in mop, you use the tools they gave us. Premed has a 20s cd, it should be used for your damage every go, you only really premed slice in stealth openers out of combat for example, unless you’re teeing off on a full kidney you’re never gonna spam backstab, or hemo, or ambush.
This expansion was the 1st time we see rogues doing damage with eviscerate spam due to mastery buffs / crit changes. Your burst without blades and with blades generally is cheapshot → some kind of build for 5 while ensuring stun, bleed, and find weakness are up on target - evisc, another 5 usually MFD → evisc → CS 2nd DR, (I save premed for this one) → Evis → 3rd DR CS, this evis won’t make it in the stun but you essentially just spam eviscerate.
User error on resource management.
User error on class knowledge / gameplay.
No offense, but at least for now at mop rogue, you need to improve from the sound of things and not blame the class.
Sub has really good burst. Assassin is more sustain with a big cd.
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If you get outdamaged by deep woundnyoure just 
. Ive got hit 50k into 70k evis from rogue into def stance.
Not to mention 15 stuns in a row with that idiotic paralytic…
Get your wep and stun away my guy. War is better class, more op class…but rogue isnt as bad as bad ppl comming from cataclysm lego fiesta trying to suggest.
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100% this. A bunch of s11 monkeys who can’t figure out how to press eviscerate rather than lego damage backstab/ambush.
I actually prefer ambush playstyle but that’s not the point here. Rogues pump. Just, not as consistently as warriors.
If you’re struggling with rogue and take anything away from this thread, stop thinking about what you’re doing, and start pumping eviscerates into targets who have a bleed and find weakness up. thank me later.
rogue have good burst but outside shadow dance you are just useless you stun and reset until next shadow dance, and if you are stun during shadow dance, gg wp, on cata backtab was ok damage so even without sd you was still ok
mop was the pinacle of wow pvp, but these garbage exists:
-second wind
-25% dr defensive stance
-pom sheep, ns clone, ns hex
-aff with s14 gear and further
-overtuned healers
get rid of these and the game is perfect
Purge and blanket silences also exist tho. Like there’s counter play available. It’s just sweaty if you’re not interested in that version of wow.
Not looking forward to this
Meh.
Since I played live mop I prefer all these things existing. I didn’t come to mop classic hoping for it to be different. I knew what I was getting into.
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I feel so vindicated watching the forums absolutely lose it over dstance and second wind after the absolute SILENCE during Cata about rogue and mage. They just cannot stand warrior not being fodder.
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recently grinded out 2.2 on my rogue, def isn’t for the weak. however, rogue design in mop is quite good, great even. I like how it plays out a lot and I think the comps rogue has only get better as we get more gear.
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