He is talking about heroic dungeons. You do not need the best (or even correct spec) azerite trats to do heroics. It’s a copout defense. There is absolutely nothing from preventing him queueing as in tank spec other than his unwillingness (and inability based on other comments) to do so.
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If anything… that’s the opposite?
I don’t play tank because its not engaging to faceroll into a trashpack and spam the same ability 10,000 while the DPS murder them. Playing a healer is infinitely more mechanically complicated.
This isn’t the reality of tanking, though – you cannot engage at all with something that doesn’t happen.
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I just ran 2 dungeons on my druid, that’s exactly what it was. Swipe so hard brahhhh
Yeah, I’m with the OP in this one. Guardian druid it’s far from appealing and that’s what I heard from the guardian druid I heal in a regular basis.
Guardian has it rough this xpac.
I saw one of your post edits at the beginning of this whole thread and at one point you were telling “Elitists” they could take their comments elsewhere and ended it “kthx =)” or some childish drivel with that in it.
Nothing anyone has stated in any part of this thread has been “elitist”, and I am glad you changed that whole line to you maining a monk.
If you honestly want to be taken seriously about your…“issue”…this is most definitely not the way to go about it.
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There are times you need specific tank abilities that reduce damage further (demon spikes, shield block, etc).
Without those you’d either have the fake tank getting spiked too hard and those mechanics or they’d have to have the damage incoming reduction so high that non-specific damage is negligible.
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Well i can only compare to tanking on my death Knight and i use way more than one skill. Deathgrip, strangulate, mind freeze, heart strike, death and decay, marrowrend etc.
I’ve never thanked on a druid so i can’t say for sure, but i really think if you are only using one ability it’s a you thing not a gaurdian spec thing.
Also with the way you’re responding i feel like you’re not being genuine in your responses.
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you very obviously have no idea what you’re talking about
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so people who dont like long queues shouldn’t try any dps only classes? that’s your solution?
Guardian is garbage this expansion – mine’s sitting at 116 as a result.
But one spec being bad is not indicative of an entire ROLE being bad.
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If people would be less abusive and hurried towards tanks, there would be less queue time.
This is neither a new problem or breaking news. Play a tank class, or else be nice to your tanks.
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I disagree OP, but queue times while leveling and for normal dungeons could use a fix. My suggestion as always been to allow dungeons to be completed by whatever is in queue. If 5 dps get grouped then the dungeon scales to it. If 4 dps and a heal get groups it scales, and so on.
Again only for leveling and normal dungeons. Or just leveling. I really dont want to see the holy trinity change. It still should be the standard for heroics, LFR and so on.
OP folks just need to stop being jackwagons. Less pressure on the tank means happier tanks. There are plenty of tanks, they just don’t want to tank for randoms because of bad experiences.
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I don’t know, the role can be a little mind-numbing at times… still less mind-numbing than dps for me, though.
But my biggest issue with it is people. “You’re not going fast enough!” “Why aren’t we skipping so and so!?” “You couldn’t handle the extra trash I facepulled!? You’re bad!”, etc.
Which is why I said that it’s no suprirse that there’s a decline in tanks. Some tanks are really bad (guardian), but people ain’t helping.
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I won’t deny that guardian has it’s issues this expansion - but OP is fundamentally wrong about what it is tanks actually do. Can you tank trivial content that you outgear with nothing but swipe? sure. I can, on my guardian druid, go into heroic dungeons and probably tank them with nothing but moonfire… but any tank that overgears content can do something similar.
Can you tank trivial content with nothing but swipe if you don’t outgear it? maybe, if your healer is on point. But so what? a dps can go in and dps just spamming one button too, that doesn’t mean they’re doing it right.
Step into content that matters - heck even mythic 0’s, and if you’re only using one ability, things will be different.
they’re not that bad. Gonna have issues in super high key m+, maybe, but they’re still entirely viable. I’ll agree that they have issues, and badly need an offensive CD (RoTS please!), but guardian druids are entirely capable of doing just about any content in the game.
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I think giving every class the ability to tank is ridiculous but what I can agree with is really buffing all the current tank specializations so that it’s way more fun to play. The same could be said about the heal specializations. If they’re so good and fun to play more players would take the role, is my guess.
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I think this would help but it’s not the only problem, nor is it the root of the problem imo. I think the core of the problem is the community. It’s driven all the people who were borderline on tanking away from it, and the ones who really like it and are good at it are driven to tanking with guilds/friends only.
I haven’t done much instanced pve content this xpac (to be honest, I haven’t done much besides WQs, the only exception are reg mythics during event weeks). And still, and I’m paraphrasing what my tank said here, but not only they’re extremly boring, but also any other tank would be a better pick. As from my point of view as a healer, they do feel extra squishy, almost as if I’m healing a clothy that’s wearing padding under the robes. I’m glad my tank at least knows this and thus he tanks carefully, but some can’t seem to be bothered… but all in all, I wouldn’t blame them if many guardian druids just give up.
Adding that decline to probably people getting fed up = Long queue times for everyone else.
I actually enjoy my Guardian druid. They are apparently squishy and having issues for raiding, but for dungeons and things, they’re are fun to play.
I still would love to see an actual cloth tank class. We have a glut of leather/plate ones. Or hell, let’s have Enhancement shaman tanks already 