I miss when Monks could be healers, not wanna be melee dps.
This “healers should dps” stupidity needs to stop.
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People complaining about fistweaving need to stop and just keep it to themselves imo
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Thank you, but no.
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If you dont like it talent into yulons and soothing mist and just heal??
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I take it youre either not a fistweaver, so youre just mad monks are punching things and you think they’re not healing … OR you are soomweaver on an alt account 
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Sounds like you need to become a real Monk and take a vow of silence.
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There are many talents to specialize in cast-based healing though…
Found the one that would rather pick their nose than contribute to the group when there’s no incoming damage.
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Nah, I’m a monk who’s mained monk since MoP and think fistweaving was always stupid and caters to the “I’m bad at dps and the only way my group takes me to raids is if I heal” crowd.
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I wish they would fix it. But I’m in the camp of loving fist weaving.
This is the most disappointed with the spec I’ve ever been. I even messaged a friend I play with that I am thinking about quitting the season. I know blizzard doesn’t care and idk if waiting 3-4 hours to get into a key is how I want to spend my time.
Fist weaving is worse than it was last season. Damage feels like punching a brick wall and healing feels like words of encouragement for the party. Don’t have a cd? What healing? Rotation? Why? 30000 globals to make healing more effective, what for only lasts like 6 seconds?
Mana spender simulator. Are we even fist weavers? I feel like most of my time is spent casting mists and stuff. Oh better do that to do gooder healing. How annoying and unsatisfying.
Fist weave? When? During chi-ji? 2 min CD. Oh no, I know when, it was last season and the seasons before that. Now what? How much does 4 stacks with bok heal for? How much is that divided by 5 targets? Oh it might crit? oh it might proc gusts? How much is the gust 70k-100k? I’m sure the party taking millions of damage a second loves that circus trick.
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I hate that MW doesn’t get to start at a 1 second GCD if they do FW. It feels like a slower WW, and WW is already slow.
I love it and wouldn’t play MW if it was a standard ‘stand’n’spam’ playstyle.
Perhaps try priest or druid, they have healing styles closer to what you seem to want.
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I dont understand? Maybe I’m not high enough in keys yet, but being able to do 400k dps and 1.5-2 mil HPS on demand at ilvl 650 feels good? Also, Im insta invited to any group?
Still working on 8-10’s on my MW right now, so i may be way off the 13+ situation, but it feels good to me.
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Fistweaving is insanely fun. I love the dps to heal mechanic.
The two changes I’d make is needing to keep the stomp buff up and needing to stand in the faeline. Those should be removed.
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Fistweaving is awesome, if you don’t want to fistweave use mistweaving build and let rest of us have fun.
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Fistweaving is the only way to time high key in m+. Dps from healer is needed in high key. Fistweaving heal much much much faster than mistweaving build esp during big pull and some boss fight. During big pull, Fistweaving reduce the total damage output by the nasty mobs by helping killing the mobs while mistweaving just increase the time of killing the mobs and may endanger some dps bcos of mistakes. To reduce mistake and time the key is to kill mobs asap. The faster the mobs killed, the less healing is needed.
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Look like I should weigh in on this thread as well.
Won’t ever happen. You have options around this, however.
Play with friends, make your own groups, or swap to another class. Forcing everything around you to change for your opinion is very self centered.
Doesn’t mean your opinion isn’t valid tho.
People have the right to express themselves, even if it’s wrong or unpopular.
This isn’t true, and I also played in MoP. Fistweaving was absurdly strong in dungeons when RJW existed, but in Raid casting was stronger in most cases if I remember correctly.
Also, most people who heal want to contribute outside of high damage moments, and this is a way for them to do so while feeling the impact of each global.
I don’t agree with you. This is honestly the best iteration of Fistweaving we have to date, as well as the most impactful, especially in Raids.
Now note: I don’t do dungeons much at all so it’s primarily going to be Raids and Arena/BGs for me.
We actually have really good healing right now. Damage is decent and our globals flow very well.
In terms of Arena CC it’s a tad bit rough but it’s very possible to perform on it rn.
If anything, we don’t use our mana bar ENOUGH. I’m sitting at close to full mana at all times in Raid without Tea (20 stacks), and in Arena most of the time I hover around 20% without tea+Talent (Again, 20 stacks).
Would be interesting if there was a spell that had a high mana cost that healed 5 targets for a moderate amount, that could only be cast while FLS/JFS was active.
Chi’Ji right now is an absurdly strong cooldown and those changes thay made still have me in disbelief to this day. Every single time I push that button I carry an entire Raid with my healing for 25s (Or 12 depending on boss+timers), and in Arena/BGs I’m basically a God (Until CC, but in coordinated groups or R-W-FW you can work around that).
Also, Gusts healing isn’t divided by players, and if you’re Fistweaving, you should be running Mastery since Gusts for me do 350k-400k each before Resplendent Mists + Critting, and they tigger a lot during Chi’Ji.
This will never, EVER happen and if I end up being wrong I will give out 1m gold and a public apology lmao.
The reason for that is because right now Haste/Mast for FW is the go-to. If they were to make it a base 1s GCD, that Haste would now go to Crit, and now you’ll have a class that can be 40 item levels below everyone else and still, at minimum, match every other healer in raw healing, because critting Gusts + Resplendent Mists would be the most disgusting healing in the history of the game.
I’m confident they’d have to cut all Fistweaver-related healing by roughly 40-50% to keep it in line with what it could do with that one simple change.
And ye, I’m aware it was like that in MoP, but the class then and the class now are completely different.
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Raiding is not M+.
And Chi-Ji isn’t significantly stronger than any of the other healer CDs out there (in raids or M+). All the healers are all pretty close in HPS output at this point, the difference comes down more to fight mechanics than anything.
At least run a few high-ish M+ keys as a conduit build before running around saying ‘everything’s fine’, in fact we’re OP!
Nobody mentioned that we were only referring to M+, so I don’t know what this comment is for.
Is it possible to provide improvements in that area we may potentially be lacking in? Sure. That doesn’t discredit anything else being said.
I do not agree with you. Chi’Ji, for what it does, is very, very strong for a cooldown. The healing output is absurdly high, even after those Mastery nerfs.
Nowhere have I said, or even eluded to this line of logic. Please don’t put words in my mouth, and read to understand, not to respond.
To point out that ‘all is well’ is only true if you play a small subset of the class. You don’t speak for all MWs.
It’d be useless if it wasn’t. Every healer class has hefty CDs on a 1-2 min CD. Barrier is amazing. Tree of Life is great.
Your responses are to Aiobhinn… who runs primarily high M+ keys. And yet you’re saying ‘everything is fine in raids’ to someone pointing out that things ‘aren’t fine’ in M+…
You need to ‘read to understand, not to respond’. You’re the one that changed the context.
Again, never once have I even said, nor implied I believe this to be the case. You’re putting words in my mouth again.
Yes, and again, I believe Chi’Ji is at the upper-level of Healer CDs in this game rn.
We can end here on a disagreement.
He has mentioned before that he doesn’t believe Fistweaving feels good in any content, not just in M+.
Knowing this, nothing I said has changed, nor have I attempted to assert the notion that something being good in other places negates criticism in other areas.
We can agree to disagree here.
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