I’m not really sure what to say. Their output is amazing and they are keeping pace with dps in some matches. It’s not possible to heal it if you don’t have decent CC for the monk. A massive chunk of my losses are from fistweavers atm and I’m not even sure what to tell the people I’m playing with. Either you have the CC to keep them out of the game or you don’t. They have a ton of interrupts, along with a kick, and they don’t cast. They don’t oom. It’s basically a triple melee comp with a healer that doesn’t exist…?
So, with so many games being melee heavy, what gives? Nothing against the folks playing it, but something is seriously off.
In the case of this match, if there are any melee, the monk just stays stacked and with nearly ever spec doing aoe, it’s hard to get the CC to actually stick.
Hey yo, first things first. I applaud you coming in here posting on your main and showing some vulnerability.
Second, I notice that it is generally fairly easy to tab kill fistweavers as melee/hunter after they’ve used their buttons on a setup. Fistweaver is also super strong into pets bc it gets extra healing while cleaving the hunter pets while everyone is presumably piled on your warlock. I know that you know both of these things from maining hunter and doing well with it. Fistweaver works super well with two big strong melees and gets bonuses from your hunter’s pets. It also had the advantage of RNGing into a congruent comp against you with a terrible comp. This would be one of those matchups you’d feel okay losing legitimately as hunter/lock/priest if this was regular 3s. I think this particular match just showcases the best possible scenario for the fistweaver in that regard.
This needs to be emphasized. This is pretty much a wet dream comp for fistweaving. You cannot ask for an easier time. Plenty of pets for blackout kick to cleave too, provided plenty of healing and damage, not to mention two melee teammates who won’t outrange your healing.
Not sure if the MW just didn’t dispel. I don’t have the log up any longer.
Just so we are clear, I’m on my priest. If I was on my hunter I’d have the FW on lock. The problem is, the spec excels in the lower brackets and they win just be default. With no resource management at all, they just oom the other healer doing nothing but a dps rotation. If you have the damage, sure, you can pressure them, but they are still putting out a ton of pressure as well.
If I’m having to rely on my team to CC them, it’s a loss if they don’t. Just seems really odd that you have essentially a melee with slightly bad damage doing more output then a healer. The complete lack of things to interrupt is just… wrong. =/
What rating is this? I’ve come to notice that fistweavers are exceptional only at really low ratings where they can abuse healers that do not know the matchup.
Sorry, I wasn’t trying to come across as a jerk. I was moreso meaning when you come up against the fistweaver, the cc on him is what you want to orchestrate asap with your team mates before the match. If they fail to do that… yeahhh, not the greatest of situations for you. =/ Lower brackets probably don’t even get the notion of hard swapping to the misty in a stun and crunching him either.
It’s a pretty wide differential, as castweaver has to be casting like literally all the time, compared to fistweaving casting none of the time.
CC doesn’t happen lower down though. Just being honest. That’s not to say there aren’t some decent players in the lower brackets, but it just isn’t consistent. Two reasons as well. First, landing the CC is one thing. If you have a ranged and melee, the monk is sitting on the melee to stop CC. The second thing is, the monk is stacked in melee range. Asking the second dps to not cleave and break CC on the monk is tough.
So, the monk just sits up there and avoids CC simply be being in the fray.
In the end, I just want the build to have some resource management. Like, there has to be some downside other then being in melee. Their output is top tier. Damage is by far the best among the healing specs by a massive amount.
I’d really like to see how a FW would do with an enhance and hunter/warrior/dh. I have to imagine that would be seriously strong. A bunch of specs to keep them out of cc and on target with an MS.
I know you’re on your healer alt buddy. I commend you for doing it. I can’t heal at all, I am terrible at it. I was just trying to say as a high rated hunter main, you know that your team just kind of presented the best case possible for that FW there.
Had a lobby where I played into FW, feral, and Warrior. Their uptime on me was atrocious. And that my friends is why Precog exists. Gameplay has turned so degenerate from Blizzard’s neglect, they even have the audacity to fix a problem they created by making the talent baseline next patch.
The chaos and inconsistent lobbies this week alone has cost me 200+ cr, really didn’t want to put WoW PvP on the shelf but I think have to. And I can’t even play any other forms of organized PvP, that’s the frustrating part. It’s shuffle or bust.
It’s all the micro interrupts. A good FW just shuts me down for a decent chunk of time. If I get some procs and have some free globals to get hots and dots out, I might be okay. I just did another game with 3 melee a lock and a FW. Legit felt bad for the lock. Didn’t look fun. Wasn’t fun to heal either. Monk beat him in damage.
