First thoughts on new DH

Having had a chance to play my DH since the prepatch here are my first thoughts:

  1. Squishier. In playing PvE I’m finding that fights that were trivial are now difficult due to quicker loss of health.

  2. Fury Starved. Best spec according to Icy Veins is currently NOT to use Felblade and Demon Blades. However, doing so made a boring DH gameplay experience due to being fury starved for the majority of the fights. What I love about DH is the constant activity and almost always having a button lit up to press. Waiting on Immolation Aura for a chunk of fury is boring by comparison.

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Yeah, this was pretty necessary as dh survivability was unmatched in 8.3. It needed to come down a couple of notches.

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I mean, if was pretty matched, if you cc’d them. Blizz took a knife and hacked off a lot of survivability with nothing to really make up for it.

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if you cc’d them.

I wish I recorded more games, I saw a DH doing nothing (Literally standing still.) DODGE a polymorph. Dodge. It wasn’t matched. Idk if they took the survivability nerf to far, but DH did need it.

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New build is 2323131 do not use blade dance at all. Yes you heard that right, top simming DHs have discovered that blade dance is a 100% loss. Literally just spam chaos strike/annihilation. That’s our rotation. I’m not kidding either, check DH discord. We are now the OG BM Hunter rotation, 1 button to win.

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Athonel, I can’t really speak to PvP balance as I’m almost exclusively PvE. PvP seems to be it’s own ball of wax and balance issues.

My initial thoughts are based on PvE survivability.

what? this is lame… if this is true, i’m done with my DH.

Pve here too. As a healer doing 20s, I typically healed DHs about half to 1/3rd as much as the other dps. It needed adjusting. It may have gone too far, but it was much needed.

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adjusting but they took it to the extreme! all the abilities were nerf and not just a noch, by far!

leach from 10% to 5% and demon form CD is longer, and for a short window of 6 sec instead 8.
only during 6 sec we get 25% leach, how many hits we can get into that window? and how hard we need to hit to get some HP back?

in pvp when i was about to die. blur, meta, and get my HP back 100% something similar a paladin would do, bubble, super heal, done. shamans, druids something similar, the difference with DH is that we need to hit and fight to recover that HP, we don’t have instant cast button to survive, therefor our leach and survival should be higger or give us that same panic button to get 50% or more hp back.

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Yea it’s a little painful, but I can’t do DH without felblade/demons blades

Just much more interesting to play to me

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wow, ok, checked the discord and its bad. If they dont change how havoc plays atm they better just delete the spec.

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I tested a lot of the classes out yesterday and found that dh was the weakest out of the melee classes. The rotation does get boring fast, and I’m hearing that blade dance isn’t even the best to use in rotation for single target.

chaos strike does more damage even then blade dance with first blood
so everyone force to only chaos striking…

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compared to what? definitely not any class that has a healing off spec granting them free cast-able heals wile in dps spec such as pally… or are you talking open world roll face on keyboard content? because I’m talking instanced combat as in M+ and raid.

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Vaelthan, exactly. That’s why I moved back to that combo instead of the better dps yielding ones. The ‘fun’ of DH is in the movement and attacks. The current optimal setup lacks mobility and the fun factor for me.

That being said, we also just hit pre-patch and things may change.

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Compared to literally every class. DH doesn’t even have to use a gcd to activate their self-healing. The only class like that is mut rogue if they don’t spec into cheat death. Every single other class has to at least use a gcd or hard cast spells to heal themselves, thus losing damage for survivability. DH does NOT have to make that choice, especially in the end of BFA form. It was completely unbalanced especially given that vers (one of their best stats) helps their dps and their self healing. DHs were stacking vers for most of the expansion before corruption made it go out of control.

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Yea I’m hoping eventually something works out with legendaries that will make it more viable again

I’ve been able to keep up since legion, I may not be absolute peak performance , but I don’t have trouble staying even with other dps for content im doing

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every other class does not have to rely on uptime to self heal as well.

I get that you feel it was overturned in open world solo content, it maybe was, but I’m rarely top healing done out of the dps in any instance/group content. shoot fury warriors passively healed more than i did in M+ :stuck_out_tongue:

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I’ve seen mention of a DH Discord. Can someone provide a link to it?

discord.gg/felhammer

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