What.
A.
Mess.
GG Blizzard.
Really? I honestly havnt even noticed. Havnt even seen an abandon vote yet.
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Tried a DB12, first 12 of the season for me. Got to the second boss, all we had left was that boss, the one pack up top and the last boss with 10 minutes left.
Dude was like “We can’t time”, OK sure, tank asks “Can we finish?”. Didn’t even notice they tried to abandon key. We start the second boss, dude bails hard and we wipe.
“BRB” They say.
“Stubbed my toe, cannot continue” They added.
He made a third excuse also, just trying to weasel their way out of the key.
I told them we can still finish, get a reward and a vault slot, we would have even had a rating since it was within that time. But no “I’m done with vault, I don’t need”, “Don’t bring your rat alts to dungeons”.
Sure they probably would have just left anyway, but last season I feel like out of the times I did pug, none of them went sideways like this and not a single person left when we could not time. They all just went on and at least finished the key, or got to a point where the whole group realised we could not finish and thanked each other for the time.
Same. That sucks that happened to you. Can’t stand these selfish jerks that would screw you like that, especially so close to the end. I’ve definitely noticed my willingness to pug has dramatically decreased.
Sample size of one and you’ve concluded it’s all bad?
Look I’m aware that the abandon system/leaver penalty hasn’t improved anything but it mostly seems to all be coming out in the wash from my perspective.
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It’s just the new hot topic. The system, ultimately, doesn’t change the dynamic of how people act in PUGs. All the hyperbolic language being adopted of being “held hostage” is really dramatic and unnecessary.
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Any issue will always be an issue because Humans are involved.
Sadly, people behave like scum so often - the only solution to the problem is to narrow your experience to friends only, in EVERYTHING.
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I try to, but sometimes you have to pug, no one online who has the key you want, can’t find a fourth person, maybe it’s too early or too late for your usual friends.
I know the issue. I’ve just found it’s better for my mental health to just avoid randoms, majority of people I bump into at random (Anywhere, not just PuG-m+ world) have an issue or screw loose.
I had myself as tank, a healer friend, and 2 other dps friends and we needed to try and pug a 5th for an 11 ara kara and literally nobody applied for a solid 20 minutes, I assume because they saw we were a premade and didn’t want to be potentially trapped by the garbage that is the abandon system as that’s about the only reason I can conceive why nobody would want to join.
I’ll say it once more. The true solution is to just remove m+
How can they tell that you were a premade? The only person in the group that you see any details on is the group leader. You can’t even tell what server the others are on.
Unless there is some addon I don’t have that gives more detail I don’t know how they would have determined your group was four friends without joining it.
Personally, even way before this system, I go out of my way to never invite groups to my PUGs. More often than not, having part of the group be in comms and the other part not, causes more issues than having 5 randoms. Premades tend to place more value in the outcomes for the people in their immediate premade than the rest of the group.
…yet more proof that those that skirt the Leaver mark by doing this stuff are prone to break CoC any way.
Summoned by the ghost of Jimmy Hoffa, BRB.
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So whats the difference here? The key was dead in the old regime
Key was dead in new regime
Key wasn’t dead yet, that’s the main difference.
In the old ways I cannot recall the last time someone left a key just up and out like that since BFA, no matter how bad players are we’ve always tried to get it done and only agreed it’s over when we are either stuck, or well over time and also not making much ground.
The fact that we still had time, some 10 minutes at 94% in DB, and they wanted to leave, that’s crap, plain and simple. You don’t be joining a key and then asking to leave when there is still time, it’s bad behaviour.
Worse is that they did a vote but none of us seen it, we were too busy you know, trying to finish a dungeon we signed up for. So we had to either keep going or be like this guy and make excuses why they could not continue, they literally held us there for some 5 minutes while we waited for the next abandon, which also failed.
Eh Ive literally had a buddy in discord with me leave MY key in SL when our hakkar took too long to kill on a DoS 19 or 20. We still laugh about it
In this case you had a jerk player who wanted to leave because they felt it was a bricked key. Old regime or new regime that key was dead. New system just made ending it more annoying, but wasnt the cause of the key dying