First Augmentation, Now Do Gladiator

[Lucavitha-area-52]

@Snozy-pagle

A playerbase that struggles to do heroic mechanics? People already complain this game is too hard.

Following this logic it would stand to reason that you should have less roles to make it easier.

@Snozy-pagle

I’m not salty.

Of course you aren’t.

@Snozy-pagle

I actually understand the game and that you think 15 second kill times on heroic and mythic raid bosses is ok shows you don’t.

Apparently you don’t understand so let me clarify this for you:

I think having support classes and the game built with them in mind as opposed to having one spec that does wierd things and is hard to balance for because it fundamentally is about supporting other players is an objectively good thing.

As such I wouldn’t want them to be implemented immediately but rather during an expansion launch, thus ensuring that the game is balanced for it.

@Snozy-pagle

You have an 18.4 performance in heroic aberus. You don’t have any room to talk.

When people can’t defend their argument, they inevitably get petty.

It’s a shame Snozy; I actually thought better of you then this.

[Snozy-pagle]

@Valorcus-stormrage

What were the primary balancing concerns at the time during WoD?

Thanks for further proving my point.

@Snozy-pagle

Because you don’t have an understanding of the game.

[Valorcus-stormrage]

All of my support specializations pitched would likely not function incredibly similar to how Augmentation currently does.

Less focus on buffing allies’ raw performance. More focus on self sustain, enemy dispels, utility, backup tanking, mobility etc.

Gladiator Warrior has already existed in game.
It also did not function anything like Augmentation currently does.

So, by extension, would likely not negatively impact the game. At least, for the same reasons.

[Snozy-pagle]

@Lucavitha-area-52

Following this logic it would stand to reason that you should have less roles to make it easier

No because again the three role system is fine.

@Lucavitha-area-52

Of course you aren’t.

Not at all.

@Lucavitha-area-52

I think having support classes and the game built with them in mind as opposed to having one spec that does wierd things and is hard to balance for because it fundamentally is about supporting other players is an objectively good thing.

I’m sorry but when you don’t have a basic understanding of the class you’re playing let alone multiple your opinion has zero credibility.

@Lucavitha-area-52

When people can’t defend their argument, they inevitably get petty.

I can defend my argument just fine. You tried to imply I don’t understand the game.

Linking your logs where you have 45 kills registered and you are grey parsing across every fight isn’t me being petty. It’s me pointing out you have zero credibility.

[Valorcus-stormrage]

@Snozy-pagle

Thanks for further proving my point.

I only PvP. I remember playing Gladiator’s Resolve back in WoD arena. The glyph that allowed for offensive dispels was the only crushing issue I can remember. It was also removed before Gladiator Stance was.

What other issues were there?
And would those issues be any better if Gladiator Warrior was divorced from Protection Warrior?

[Snozy-pagle]

@Valorcus-stormrage

All of my support specializations pitched would likely not function incredibly similar to how Augmentation currently does.

The whole point of a support class is to boost teammates.

@Valorcus-stormrage

Less focus on buffing allies’ raw performance. More focus on self sustain, enemy dispels, utility, backup tanking, mobility etc.

Again if they implement even “backup talking” every encounter has to be balanced around that which means it will be a requirement just like double Aug biker is a requirement currently.

@Valorcus-stormrage

Gladiator Warrior has already existed in game.

And it was blatantly broken to the point it didn’t Survive the patch or the expansion.

[Snozy-pagle]

@Valorcus-stormrage

I only PvP

This game is primarily a pve game. Which means when you don’t even participate in the primary game modes you don’t understand how your ideas would affect the main area of the game.

[Valorcus-stormrage]

@Snozy-pagle

This game is primarily a pve game.

So what?

@Snozy-pagle

Which means when you don’t even participate in the primary game modes you don’t understand how your ideas would affect the main area of the game.

That’s not the goal of this thread or my job to figure out. However, I would like to make a modern thread bringing attention to these specs because many want them.

[Snozy-pagle]

@Valorcus-stormrage

So what?

Terrible game ideas like the ones you suggested affect the game on the pve side a lot more than they do on the pvp side of the game.

Also the majority of the player base plays the game. A majority does not play pvp.

@Valorcus-stormrage

That’s not the goal of this thread or my job to figure out. However, I would like to make a modern thread bringing attention to these specs because many want them.

Then you shouldn’t be making ideas if you can’t comprehend how it would negatively affect the game.

And no a majority of the playerbase is not asking for these roles to come to the game.

[Valorcus-stormrage]

I would like to hear from you.

What were the biggest balancing concerns?

[Akston-area-52]

@Valorcus-stormrage

That’s not the goal of this thread or my job to figure out. However, I would like to make a modern thread bringing attention to these specs because many want them.

The best way to bring attention to a spec and have a realistic shot of it being implemented is knowing how it would effect gameplay.

[Valorcus-stormrage]

How would Gladiator Warrior, divorced from Protection Warrior, effect gameplay?

[Akston-area-52]

Not my job to teach anyone the basics of wow gameplay.

[Snozy-pagle]

@Valorcus-stormrage

Especially considering you are the only person in the thread with this stance. Everyone else is either entertaining the idea or showing support

This didn’t age well

[Valorcus-stormrage]

@Akston-area-52

Not my job to teach anyone the basics of wow gameplay.

Well.

@Darthauz-wyrmrest-accord

I don’t really give a sht. You keep making these dumb threads trying to have some weird discord mod like debate with people. Go watch a video and take the fedora off.

Well.

@Snozy-pagle

And no a majority of the playerbase is not asking for these roles to come to the game.

I never said the majority of the playerbase. Just that many people do want them.

[Snozy-pagle]

@Valorcus-stormrage

I never said the majority of the playerbase. Just that many people do want them.

You claiming that “many” people want them is implying it’s a majority.

The amount of people that want these play styles are such a minority they are lower than solo players.

[Lucavitha-area-52]

@Snozy-pagle

No because again the three role system is fine.

By your own admission it’s too complicated for people so clearly one of the roles has to go, or perhaps 2?

@Snozy-pagle

Not at all.

Shhh… it’s ok.

@Snozy-pagle

I’m sorry but when you don’t have a basic understanding of the class you’re playing let alone multiple your opinion has zero credibility.

Me being mechanically bad at the game =/= lack of understanding. I can see how some folks might make that mistake, but again: I thought better of you Snozy.

[Akston-area-52]

@Valorcus-stormrage

Well.

Look man.

It would be exhausting to teach WoW to someone every time they posted about a new idea. I am not even saying your idea is good or bad. I didn’t comment on it at all.

But you said you dont PVE and this would greatly effect PVE. Moreso than PVP. Then seemed to imply it was no big deal that you didn’t seem to know how all the dominos would fall with gameplay.

Now once again, I didn’t say anything negative or positive about your idea. I only stated that generally ideas rooted in understanding how it will effect gameplay are generally seen as more thought out. And brings more attention to the idea.

Then I followed it up with its not my job to bring that understanding to anyone. Do you know how exhausting that would be? To do that for anyone that posted anything?

Anyways, the only suggestion I would offer is to do some PVE. Get some experience there. And see how things could be effected.

[Dojacàt-moon-guard]

@Valorcus-stormrage

Ranged Survival Hunter

Change that into Bard.

[Actiongirl-area-52]

@Valorcus-stormrage

WoD

@Valorcus-stormrage

I only PvP

Sigh, so that is what this is all about. You almost had me.