Fire Mage.....please blizz...best to be constructive and valuable info

For the love of god…blizz…we know you are aware of the state or fire mage due to the HUGEEEEE unnecessary nerf then trying to fix the mess up by pretty consistent buffs but these buffs are next to nothing, you started the xpac with a high emphasis on living bomb, then nerfed it into the ground leaving the entirety of the right side of the talent tree utterly useless forcing us into the left side with a highly disruptive spell (hypothermia), LB needs a significant buff, even 25% of 0 is still 0, even after 9/17 buff it is averaging 1-3% of damage on 1-4 mob pulls, and 4-7% on 5+ mobs, for a 5-7 talent investment that is absolutely not worth it, but do we have an alternative? No. we have next to no diversity in our tree, are almost completely forced into certain choices while also having I would guess 5-8 talents that are completely worthless, this is a significant amount of our talents, fire had a huge rework and yet it is in the worst spot its ever been in, the entire tree needs not only a second look but almost another rework in my opinion, our rotation is fairly poor, the entire play style changed, class fantasy, severely diminished, damage, worst in game, cant get accepted into groups, our progression is near impossible even with incentivized solo gearing content, we are a detriment as a whole in almost every way… wow crendor made a video 10+ years ago about shamans needing to gear, utilize, and play at an ungodly high level just to be on par if not still lower than everyone else who does their job but better…fire is worse than that rn, please please please do something, anything, take it seriously, do not let this be an entire xpac with a class being utterly unplayable, the whole point of postings and announcments made is to balance classes to encourage playing what you want, what you enjoy, and yet the disparity is beyond horrible, we all know there will be a meta, I do not expect us to be top tier, or even optimal, but being allowed to play should be a basic ability we have…

EDIT: LB Proc chance is also a huge problem, down 11% from latest nerf with lots of the LB talents being incredibly low proc chances and dps increases are again abysmal for the amount of investments needed to get them. Also both meteor and flame strike in sunfury are insanely disruptive, slow, and feel awful to play especially with our entire playstyle revolving around combustion windows, again reiterating the point of bottlenecking certain play styles but then nerfing them into the ground making them unplayable, to beat a dead horse I truly believe that almot a bottom up evaluation is needed, freedom to experiment and have multiple play styles is needed, class fantasy needs a BIG improvement, all around viability needs big increases, ignite should probably be able to crit, our secondary stat is the WHOLE spec and yet mastery looks good in the description, its debatably our worst stat, crit chance is not good at all either, its basically entirely haste which feels awful to have to exclusively get especially with the different effeciency limits per 5 or 10%, please seriously look at the spec and hero talents as a whole to bring back even the option to play the game in which we love and pay for…

Last point, according to both wowhead on top of looking at gearing options myself, things like our trinks feel again very bad, very subpar compared to the impact they have on other classes, the solution is obviously not to change or adjust trinkets just for us, but it speaks to the need of adjustments that do effect us since these are next to filler options for us and have to be able to stand on our own feet.

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I agree on everything! I played most of beta and was loving the fire spec… LB/lit fuse were great, doing great damage, and day 1 of release, we were nerfed beyond belief. As of now, fire mage is at bottom of DPS ratings, some lists don’t even include us, that’s how bad it is. Everyone was saying wait for the recent buffs… buffs? really??? My pyro was hitting for maybe 140K (no combustion) and around 400 with combust. And with the 6% buff, its hitting now for 150K lol. As for LB buff… lol lol lol. You can buff the heck out of it but its meaningless when it DOES NOT PROC. Ran 2 dungeons yesterday and it didn’t proc once. Practiced on dummy for 15mins and NOTHING. Every class, hybrid, healer, tank is out DPSing us :frowning: I have been playing fire mage for a solid 20yrs and it has NEVER been this bad. I remember the days of pulling out the big gun pyro to destroy stuff… npc’s just laugh at us now :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

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More and more points keep coming to mind…Frostfire…What a joke, SOOO under tuned that we also don’t have another option to even try or compare, usleess turns into even more worthless…finally, our tier set…PF is not an ability we want buffed or want to be a main part of our rotation, it also is a spell that severely hinders our combustion window and is absolutely the worst tier set we could have asked for…

Ironically the tier set is actually better for Frostfire, since you’re generating and spending a lot more PFs in/out of Combustion. Granted I still have no idea what’s up with the 4 piece tooltip, since a 10% chance of a 1% CDR is an effective 0.025 second CDR from PF to itself… and a 10% chance of a 6% damage amp stemming only from PF is pretty laughable. (So every TEN PFs I can expect a sad damage boost for TEN SECONDS??) It’s like heat shimmer on nyquil.

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I feel like the mechanics of fire mages are great. The problem with the spec is how it interacts with the hero talents. Sun fury just does better than frost fire because it involves hypothermia. Also, pyro blast needs a much bigger boost. I wonder if they remove the hard casting of pyro blast and just make it castable upon hot streak would give some incentive to greatly boosting the overall damage of the ability. The developers used that logic to boost arc missile damage. Arcane fans seem to love it too. I’m ok if they remove the crit talents and change them to haste instead. I’d rather stack crit and versatility, mastery.

Well, except for SKB, which I (and quite possibly nobody else) actually still enjoy lol. Sadly I actually like playing Frostfire a lot - by far the most mobile ranged caster subspec. Hopefully when it gets decoupled from LB there will be an opportunity to improve the viability of both separately.

Fire was rly strong on beta but they ruined it with the agressive nerfs. I just want to play my spec again. For real.

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