I like playing fire mage and love pvp. I am a beginner at it and really want to get better but I dont know how to take down other classes and I am always wiped when dueling/BGs/arenas. Any tips on becoming good at pvp?
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PRACTICE PRACTICE PRACTICE.
Don’t quit no matter what.
Fire is very gear dependent and stat dependent…
For PvP I recommend running Haste/Versatility gear..
Shoot for 20+% haste and versa as high as you can get it.
Versa will make you do more damage and take less damage.
On one of my mages I have 15% versatility and I run Versatile Nav on my weapon.
That gives me a baseline 15% increased damage boosting up to around 30% when the enchant procs and 7-15% damage reduction at all times.
That alone is honestly huge.
Also, you need to tell us how you’re doing your rotation. What is your set-up?
Fire mage is easily one of the best duelers in the game, spec wise.
It’s also an S+ tier spec and has multiple good comps you can play for arenas.
In BGs all you literally have to do is press polymorph and greater pyroblast.
I’m in the same boat. I have no idea what I’m doing as fire. In battlegrounds, I spam greater pyro. When this doesn’t work I get shut down every single time. Absolutely demolished by ANYONE, not just melee, but ESPECIALLY melee.
I seem to screw up burst every single time I pop it. Its been such a disheartening experience that I don’t even want to pvp on this character.
I’m sure its a l2p issue, but melee is just too damn strong with too many ways to shut you down. I used to love pvp on my mage, its just so frustrating.
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I’ve just started with a couple lowbie BG’s, but having a blast, no pun intended. I’m crazy mobile, and hit like a truck. I know at 120 I’ll have to gear first, but if this is a glimmer of what awaits after gearing, it’ll be epic.
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Yea I see posts about how strong fire mage is and I love it for that and its burst. Also, do we also stack up on intellect?
My burst is as follows:
- Greater Pyroblast (if I can get it off)
- Meteor
- Combustion
- Fire Blast 2x
- Pryoblast
- Fire Blast
- Pyroblast
Don’t use GFB, anyone who KNOWS what they are doing will interrupt and lock you out of fire … thus GG… you dead
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Befriend a rogue/holy paladin, get 24%+ haste and 12% vers, watch mage streams and spam games until you’re good.
and the melee truck will run you over
Learn to play defensively and put some focus on that. Dueling without using combustion will help a lot with this. Fire mage has pretty heavy burst windows with combust being an insane amount of damage every 2 minutes.
G. Pyro is a great spell but you’ll only get it off if you play defensive or have someone help stun/incap a target. You can get it off in BGs if people aren’t playing attention too. Don’t rely on it though or you’ll be very ineffective because people play around it heavily. Greater Pyro is great for baiting defensives or trinkets though. Poly into Greater Pyro is your friend.
You can easily kill someone sub 5-seconds in your combust window fairly easily. It’s all about learning the push and pull of PVP and knowing when you need to put pressure on and when you need to step back and reset.
haste is so bad in pvp right now tho?
For mages? Haste will always be the first PvP stat. Saving 0.2s on a poly cast can win a match.
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yeah but i heard they gimped haste in rated arenas and battle grounds.
And crit has steadily been the biggest 2ndary stat for fire mages. Come on son. U need just enough haste for the poly and then u go crt on fire, its always been like that.
No, crit (not the value but the damage) is reduced in pvp. Haste is not.
Haste is number 1 stat for fire pvp because of poly, greater pyro, and ring of frost cast. As a mage you pump damage when conditions are right and you make those conditions right with CC. Often times it’s a race to get CC off in mirrors.
Even if pve it’s one of the lowest weighted stats. It doesn’t scale as well as the others.
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Ok fair enough, I didnt know haste wasn’t effected at all.
I was right about the past though. Only untill this instance thing were stats cut like that.
Nah, that happened in WoD
lmao did you play wod? stormshield? pvp vendors?
it happened in legion
It happened Patch 6.0.2. And yes, I played WoD.
Patch 6.0.2
Player Health and Resilience
We’re planning several interconnected changes designed to provide better-tuned gameplay for healers and improve the healing dynamic in PvP.
The high amount of base Resilience and Battle Fatigue in Mists of Pandaria caused characters to feel much weaker in PvP than they did in PvE. To address this disparity, we’re approaching Warlords of Draenor with the goal of shrinking that gap as much as possible. To reduce dependence on Resilience, we needed to increase player survivability against other players, and we chose to do this by essentially doubling (post-squish) player health.
On its own, that increase in health would make players more survivable in the world at large, so we’re also increasing creature damage and the effectiveness of healing spells to balance things out. The net result of these changes is that individual attacks will knock a smaller chunk off of a player’s health pool in PvP, but your survivability in PvE remains unaffected.
Doubling player health gave us room to reduce Resilience and Battle Fatigue, but our goal was to be able to remove them entirely. In order to achieve that, we’re also reducing PvP spike damage across the board by lowering Critical Damage and Critical Heals against players in PvP to 150% of their normal effect (down from 200%). The changes have allowed us to remove Resilience and Battle Fatigue.
Changes to PvP
•Base Resilience has been reduced to 0%.
•Battle Fatigue has been reduced to 0%.•Critical Damage and Critical Heals in PvP combat now deal 150% of the normal spell/ability effects (down from 200%).
thats not the same thing…
and I played lots of fire mage in wod. Crit was a thing. ur high.
What are you even going on about?
The only change to crit in pvp happened in WoD. It’s still in game today.
Mages have stacked haste in pvp since TBC.
Crit is also rarely the number one stat in PvE for fire mage and certainly hasn’t been for a good long time.
You should look up enhanced pyrotechnics because something tells me you don’t know what that is.
what do you mean? Haste/Versa are Fire Mage’s BiS stats atm.