They went too far into taking damage away from fv and moving it to generators.
Id much rather have generators deal low damage (but do other things like heal slow enemies or give movement speed) and spenders be the big hitters.
But now its too late we have fv doing 55k damage to fully geared pvp players and boj doing 45k. Lel
ya its a huge problem for both gamemodes. pvp fv hits like a noodle and for pve it makes hopo a non resource
I don’t think pvp fv hits like a noodle at all honestly. My average normal hits are 90-95k and my average crits are 130-150k per game usually, which is not bad at all when you consider I have used it 30-35 times in 1 match alone. Then you need to add divine arbiter on top of that, as it triggers from FV. I have had FV crit for 130k while Divine arbiter hit for 120k, all of that from 1 global. I have had a lot of my kills happen that way. Have to also understand, Hammer of Wrath is perma crit and hits for 90-100k, with 2 charges it has a ton of usage, and then wake of ashes hits for 150-300k in a global every 30 seconds (300k is upper end in crusade), and blade of justice hits for around 85k for me. In 3.5 globals you can do 500k damage, sometimes you can do even more which is very good.
All of these buttons together do a ton of damage and we press all of them very frequently, buffing FV would mean something else needs to be nerfed to offset that but I think the current breakdown in pvp for ret is very good I wouldn’t really nerf or buff rets damage at all rn. Only thing I’d ask for is something for steed to help deal with slows so freedom doesn’t need to be used with it, thats all i really want outside of that i think ret in pvp is in a fantastic spot.
Edit: These people saying FV hits for 50k and boj for 45k in pvp are doing some crazy exaggerating. I can post screenshots of my breakdowns if needed but it is nowhere near that. It is double that. Maybe these guys are playing wrong or something but yea that is not correct.
Nobody plays it because it got left behind real bad. Aside from the nerfs it took after the rework (damage nerfed, healing nerfed and stun damage increase nerfed) it also does not have the 20 yard range that FV gets with the talent right below. So if you pick JV, it does slightly less damage and a tiny bit of healing with an 8 yard range, not even close to worthwhile. Even if the healing it did was insane, we’d likely still take FV because it will secure more kills due to being 20 yards. Not sure why its still there and honestly I’m not sure any talent really needs to be on a choice node with FV at this point lol.
Quite literally impossible. Sniper Shot only EVER hits for 20% of your maximum HP.
Ret can’t be extremely bursty in pvp and have a MS(like many ask) while they still have an immunity.
It has hit for 500-600k before, there are many screenshots of it because it can crit. The base damage is 20% of max hp though. To be clear though I disagree with everything people have said in here regarding FV needing buffs as you can see from my previous posts just above I just wanted to clarify it can hit that hard in pvp, but it is also one of the easiest abilities to counter which is why we don’t see MM hunters much on top of the fact they die super easy.
I absolutely dislike the comparison going on between sniper shot and FV in here because people are leaving out a lot of things and being a little disingenuous (maybe not on purpose) like the fact you get far more FVs than sniper shots, FVs hit extremely hard in wings and even outside of wings its not bad, we have additional damage from Divine arbiter they are not adding on to FV, etc etc I’ve already listed out why the comparison is very bad.
Sniper Shot cannot crit.
Are you sure? I have absolutely seen it hit for 600k before. 100% positive. I guess someone could have been using health trinket + priest i cant be sure but i have seen it hit like that. I could probably even find screenshots of it
It ALWAYS hits for 20% of max HP and cannot crit.
the 20% of hp is the attacks base damage and it is effected by modifiers, over 500k happens. there is an entire thread about it in the pvp forums.
Weird. link please? Because trueshot aura doesnt increase it’s damage, and SS can not crit. It is not affected by vers. It is not affected by mastery, ect.
this thread has a screen shot in it. its one of at least 3 threads talking about SS in the battleground forums.
anyways, this thread is about something else. so ill just say i want justicars vegence to be worth taking. lower range, lower damage and well the health return is nice it doesnt offset what you give up.
Jv has no place and should ultimately be removed. It was either op or useless and there is no middleground
This.
For a moment I thought they finally took the time to take a look at it and make it worth playing but then they went and made it do significantly less than FV (and less than TV for that matter) and not even work with Jurisdiction…
They brought it back alive only to kill it again 
Butt of the joke is that they even forgot it existed for the purposes of our Tier Set
Although its most likely intentional if I’m being honest.
If it did work with it, we might have had a problem with healing for 10% of our total like each time we used it.
Just remove it already.
yea honestly I dont think anything needs to compete with FV at this point. I think if JV were decent it would end up feeling bad because we lose range in exchange for what would likely be survivability, but it would be a big loss to our range so I don’t think the choice would end up feeling good at all. There is going to be a lot of difficulty in balancing it as well.
It is a cool idea and I mean they can leave it in the tree if people randomly like it for leveling or whatever, no harm in leaving it if there is no intention for it to be used outside of the most casual content as long as it doesn’t actually compete with fv.
Then the point of a choice nod is pointless.
Not everyone likes FV, but forced into it due to the sake of “balance” and “range”
I would totally make a build that don’t include it if it did the same base damage as templar’s verdict.
forced
again with this
Ignoring an issue does not solve the issue.
And yes it will keep popping up.
Whether you think it’s an “engine” of ret, defines ret, or what-not.
but what is the issue tho?
what is there to not like about fv? its literally tv with range and a rn chance to proc how. jv could use a buff sure? but what does buffing it actually accomplished? they really should remove the choice node because the JV experiment failed since it s inception
Animation mostly.
For me it’s also the swinging weapon in thin air like a moroon and dealing damage somehow to an opponent.
Then the debate about about why is the class called melee when 90% of single target is ranged.