also please keep in mind this is likely a bug because this appeared in DF before and got fixed within a month
It might not be a bug since it’s been there since DF and if it is, it’s one of those bugs the devs didn’t notice or just doesn’t care.
Either way works for me.
Dude, with the mechanics going on, it’s a hell of a lot more than 2 seconds downtime with CS. There’s no way to get the full benefit if you’re running to stay alive like on the last boss of Stonevault.
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it was fixed in df tho, so its clearly a bug
consider that ts range isnt long, if your losing uptime with csaa then your losing alot more uptime with ts.
It was, huh? Well, it’s back with a vengeance.
Disagree. I’m getting FAR more benefit with TS. All I need is a second or so to hit my TS combo and I’m doing major dam-dam that csaa can’t even compare to, as well as getting my two HoPo AND my free Divine Storm from EP.
And…TS interacts extremely well with ten, count’ em, TEN ret Talents.
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honestly just play what yall want i guess. im just saying that you shouldnt be gaining that much damage with ts unless your sorely misplaying the spec. while yes you could be tsing, but you could also press judgement or blade of justice or hammer of wrath if you have wings up, wake also has a huge range as well.
yes ts gives ep but if your fighting bosses then ep is still pointless and weaker than a fv iof you proc it, unless your playing the divine storm built from china. but even then templar dumps on the divine storm build in china.
no one here plays at a level where this matters so what im saying doesnt matter. but again, if your having that much of a gain with ts then something is wrong
Agreed.
Not denying the effectiveness of the other spells, far from it, including CSAA. All I’m saying is that the damage output you get from TS is damn near insane, especially since it’s a builder and not a spender. I mean, it does more damage than FV enhanced with FR. I can’t see myself leaving that much damage on the table.
Yeah, but it’s free. And in M+, the majority of your fights is with trash, which DS loves to say hello.
I see it the opposite. Everyone’s playstyle is not the same and I love pressing TS combo. Different streaks for different freaks.
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yes but again, while ts does alot of damager for its 1.5 gcd press. it just shouldnt be doing that much in your overals compared to other builds. it just hints that theres a rotational issue with the better build that people arnt getting
yes but no, its bugged to be very good, theres alot of talents that provide better aoe or prio st iin keys compared to ep.
if ep gets fixed to be a flat chance per gcd press instead of proc chance per damage event (which gives it its high proc chance at max aoe with champions) then ep is once again down in the gutter. its hard to take “its free” as a benefit when hopo is a non resource to begin with and you overcap frequently due to the amount of generators we have including ts.
yes i can recognize that, but for people looking to improve, im not onna suggest a subpar build nor let misinfo about said subpar build being better fly
Again, my point is using TS over csaa. Not that csaa isn’t effective but like I mentioned earlier, there are times where your running for your life away from the target(s). With TS, all I need is a second or so to get major damage, HoPo and a free DS proc. It has nothing to do with rotation.
Free aoe with 15% additional damage with a 75% chance proc? Name them…
Dude, free is free. Free is a good thing. I honestly can’t break it down more than that. If you honestly don’t see the benefits of a free spender enhanced by 15%, I got nuthin’ for ya.
Subpar for YOU, maybe, but for others like myself, we do just fine with the more powerful TS combo. Maybe certain people just aren’t good enough to know how to utilize an ABOVE par build.
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again if your to far from your target with csaa, then your to far from your target with ts. plus you have one charge of boj with ts instead of two charges with csaa if you are away from the boss. since boj range is rather long.
it doesnt take longer than a second to get close with csaa get art of war and mroe boj for more fv/ds. and were not even getting into the issue of bosses in keys which are equally as important
this arguement hinges on the fact ep stays beneficially bugged, weve seen them fix this bug in the past in df. we cant assume it wont be fixed in tww
if we assume the bug is fixed, then ep would be swapped out for divine arbitor right now.
its free, but if the talent was working correctly then its just “free” on a low proc chance on a spec that has alot of hopo generation. the same reason why divine purpose is weak right now. its “free” but how much is free worth when we have resources oozing out of every hole. especially with a low proc chance.
this entire arguement hinges on empy power staying bugged and frankly like we saw with hammer of light being spammable. we shouldnt gaslight ourselves into thinking its here to stay nor intentional
we always have to strive to improvement in gamemodes where it matters. again play what you want in the weekly keys and what not. but please dont spread misinfo. just because yall do fine with it, doesnt mean its the best build avaliable especially when the only thing keeping it afloat is a bug hat we have seen get fixed before in the past
What part of “all I need is a second or so” did you not get?? In that time, I can get FULL benefits from TS. CSAA with only a second or so barely gets ANY benefit whatsoever.
Geezus, man (shakes head). No one is denying the effectiveness of other spells. All I’m saying is that TS has definite advantages over csaa, as with the examples I’ve given.
You’re delusional. Art of War is only a 20% chance to proc. To count on that proc with only a second or so is insane. Chances are it WON’T proc.
So? If and until it gets fixed, 75% chance to a free enhanced DS is too damn good to pass up.
Oh geezus krist. This has already been addressed. It’s here NOW and effective as hell, so it’s not worth worrying about in the future.
We’ve already established it’s a bug, so what misinfo am I spreading? Please elaborate on this…
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Don’t bother with araghorn on ep and ts, they have a one track mind on the subject and won’t listen to reason. Fought with them through out df on the subject.
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i mean i wasnt gonna reply anymore anyways, but your also very wrong about it brae. but you do you. i just dont think its in anyones best interest to think the ep bug is here to stay
no you, but that warrior guy above you. especially when people like to say “dont trust sims” when im touching my sims nearly every st focused boss encounter
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Ahhh, okay. Fair enough.
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Even without a bug, it’s still a 30% chance to proc per full use of ts (both strikes) to get a ds stronger then your fabled and favorite fv. And for free. What is even better now is we have stacking judgements that we tend to have more of then we can use sometimes too so it is more stronger then before. Free ep ds helps crusade and hero tree talents.
(Ep is only useless to get with cssa, as the proc chance drops to 5% per auto)
Also as tura says ts also has synergy with allot of talents, effected by the radiant and holy strike amp talents, and the dot is effected by heart of the crusader crit damage amp.
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