That sounds like holding somebody hostage.
And honestly, i think their better for not taking the toxic positivity approach here. 
Even if somebody blue faced angry screaming in your face, you can tell that person is being honest. Toxic positivity is a place where dishonesty thrives sadly.
My theory is that it’s primarily because Yoshi-P and his development philosophy has created kind of a cult of personality around him.
Him coming across as open and transparent; the producer’s quick to note the reasoning behind decisions; quick to be all apologetic and self deferential when the community does get PO’d.
Add on the community’s tendancy to police itself far moreso than WoW; and Square being aggressive about it.
Add on the much bigger impact the player character has on the game narrative versus WoW, and the more storied history of the series as a whole. Their hardcores are to the bone.
Now add on all of that plus the whole 1.0 fiasco. The soup you get is one where FF players tend to circle the wagon more.
They feel more involved in the game, slightly more in control of its development itself, and a subsequent attachment to Yoshi.
Whereas most WoW players at this point are at best passionated outsiders longing to get noticed, and at worst dispassionate observers done with it all. And they (re: me) really don’t give a damn what happens to anybody at Blizzard.
Basically every gaming community has a seedy underbelly.
FF’s is more House Of 1000 Corpses or Chainsaw Massacre, whereas WoW’s is more Saw or Lord Of The Flies.
I wouldn’t call it a cult of personality, but there is definitely some deserved adoration.
Being open about the development issues and giving reasoning for various decisions? That does help players feel more involved, and they appreciate being informed. They’re free to not like it, but the information is freely given and they can decide for themselves.
Apologetic and self-deferential could also be called traits of the Japanese culture, which is far more polite in general.
Again, this is something of a deserved - or more accurately, earned - reputation on Blizz’ part.
Players feel disconnected from the game’s development and are just along for the ride… and quite a few use their time on it to complain about said ride instead of enjoying it. And probably souring the enjoyment of the players around them.
It’s technically true that they’re being honest.
But they’re also often being party poopers.
Though I think the expectation of politeness and civility in FFXIV, even when disliking things, is the one hurdle many from WoW can’t seem to get over.
I’m definitely not going ao far as to call adoration, but I’ll take Yoshi’s approach any day, don’t get me wrong. And I have less issues with people in FF in general than I do WoW. But an opposite side to that coin does exist. Same with WoW, if only in an inverse, opposite way.
Every gaming community has the uncle no one wants to talk about, yet always pops up.
I’m referring solely to them.
Why are you so… pink?
I liked my experience with the FF14 community. Much more talkative bunch in-game.
The toxic positivty thing is definitely true with FF14. You don’t run into that much in WoW. But you also don’t run into much conversation outside of your guild/community and discord in WoW either.
People are just passionate about what they play. I love WoW and I will speak highly of it. But I also know its downsides and will speak on them as well. A lot of people (not everyone) in FF14 tend to believe their game is perfect with no flaws. And that is far from true.
Still waiting on a new next gen MMORPG to take over tbh. These games are old lol.
I don’t know. But I like it.
Final Fantasy XIV has a way of getting you invested in the world, characters and story that World of WarCraft does not (and, to be fair, it does not attempt to).
I think this makes some fans OVERinvested because, yes, in some places if you criticize the game people will tear you apart.
FFXIV fans also like to think WoW steals story elements from FFXIV which idk about that.
Take Endwalker vs the upcoming World Soul Saga that is also meant to tie up storylines.
One is the story of an ancient shadow being from a pre-sundered world taking over a corpse to lure in the attention of a monster at the edge of the universe via means that involve everyone hearing a song and the other is Endwalker you really can’t compare the two.
I can’t count how many times I’ve hopped into an Expert Roulette on FFXIV and had a casual conversation with folks just vibing as we’re playing.
On the flip side I can’t count how many times I’ve hopped into a random dungeon on LFD here on WoW where I’ve been told to commit significant bodily harm to myself just because I wouldn’t take an optimal route through a leveling dungeon I didn’t know.
I have had people comment on how pets dropped for the “bad black mage” and I had someone in Alexander pull in guild mates just to comment on how bad I was because I kept dying. The two laughed at me until I just left.
It actually turned me off the game for a few years as I quit at the end of Heavensward and didn’t come back until Shadowbringers.
Meanwhile in WoW the toxicity seems so…idek, aimless? I developed callouses to it over the years and these days most of the WoW playerbase seems too old and tired to care about being toxic anymore. It still happens but it’s easy to ignore.
Or, to put all of this another way:
FFXIV toxicity: Less frequent, more intense when it happens
WoW toxicity: white noise
My honest opinion is you made this thread here because you knew you’d have 90% agreement with your opinion and therefore be validated.
You used WoW in the title to not break a CoC rule. You came to another gamers forum to cry knowing full well the outcome. You’re whole post is about the shortcomings of FF.
I don’t know what forum you’ve been on talking about “upvotes” or paying attention to thìs one, but if you don’t complain you don’t get responses. Try posting a positive position or one that can start a friendly discussion and watch how fast it’s flagged for some obsecure remark, or worse totally ignored. You can’t write any that is nice here - and then you say WoW is the better community!
I mean, neither community is ‘better.’ They’re just different, and neither is good.
And, honestly…the communities aren’t that different either, they’re just policed differently. It’s the exact same arguments from both communities, just worded differently to avoid to forum police.
FF community is significantly different since for most, it’s about the journey with the storyline. Very few care in max endgame, though it is there.
WoW lost control of their community, especially after the silly esport stuff. In the beginning, the WoW community was pretty awesome at times, especially when being on YOUR server, meant something.
That like saying its “minus plus 90 degree’s outside.” How does a negative positive work together?
And this isn’t FF14 people. Why not post on their forums instead of here? Blizzard doesn’t own FF14.
If you dare to criticise their game they’ll swarm the absolute heck out of you. That’s toxic positivity.
So what does that have to do with WoW and why do people keep talking about FF14 on WoW forums? Do people expect the devs to dev FF14?
FF14 just has a better community hands down. The people are nicer and the attitude is a lot more open and welcoming. Third party recognition for their community even.
Pretty sure if the only thing people can say, which is a reach, is “toxic positivity” then there really isn’t much bad to say in the end. Not all communities are like WoW where the player base seemingly hates the game they play.
Toxic positive doctorine is real on FF community, stay far away from it.
Kinda true, yeah. I think it just feels more intense because it’s so unusual to actually witness it.
During my AH goblin career in WoW I’ve received countless insults, threats and other messages from other sellers who got mad at me for, just an example, not liking the prices. I learned to make fun of those people and just shrug it off. It’s become such a common thing and at one point during BfA I even made a collage out of all the screenshotted messages.
After several months of dabbling in the market board of FF I’ve received one politely written threat that it was allegedly against the rules and would result in a ban that I was selling stuff for a much lower price. And that the person just wanted to be ‘fair’ and warn me before they would report me; I should better stop.
I got so upset that my hands were literally shaking, lmao. At least this person immediately got banned 20 minutes later after I submitted a ticket.
Nothing, I didn’t make the post. I just answered what you were asking.