I hope you realize that in the log you linked the guy was using bloodtalons NOT MoC.
Not only that but his primal wrath/rip damage easily outweighed his swipe damage.
Not to mentiom that guy isnt even listed on the leaderboards.
10/10 trolling my friend.
The initial damage of his direct damage from pw, even with BT, is lower than swipe.
How are you not grasping this simple fact?
Of course it will be you are getting 3-5 swipes per primal wrath. The thing about primal wrath is its a two part ability. You seem only to be wanted to count the first part for some reason. You need to count the second part which is the dot portion. Since that damage is tied into rip, I can see how it can be confusing.
Because the other aspect is irrelevant as both builds have rip. Common denominators.
We’re not talking about the # of swipes. We’re talking about the amount of damage per attack.
The # of swipes you do has a direct correlation which how much damage you do. You arent going to swipe spam at 5 cp. Thats the whole point of a finishing move. If swipe did more damage than PW why wouldnt we just continue swiping at 5 cp and not even bother using PW?,
Both builds have rip, one build increases it damage by over 40%. Another one does not.
Because it’s free. Sotf
But if it does less damage than a swipe according to your logic you would be wasting a gcd. Just like how using an insant regrowth for a bloodtalons proc to buff your damage is a waste of a gcd too, right?
Wrong.
#gotem
It’s good to know that the druid forums are just as annoying as all the other class forums. Here I’d thought you guys would all be sitting in moonglade singing kumbaya. Nope, just a bunch of folks endlessly butting heads for the sake of it like every other class forum.
It’s actually just these 2 mongo’s. Normally we all snuggle up.
At this point I wish they’d just start making up their own Azerite traits and essences to bolster their arguments. Maybe invent some new statistical terms.
Like “Using two Ruffled Fur traits instead of one brings a concluding Delta on swipe damage if you’re running LI and have MF up on 3+ targets— which will will parse higher than JF/PW trio time state.”
At least it would be more entertaining.
What an insightful repsonse that contributes absolutely nothing to the discussion.
I mean seeing how you do nothing in BFA
as well it only makes sense. No raids, no pvp, no mythic+. Only heroic dungeons and LFR BoD. Dont tell me you were a top 20 raider in 2012 as well? Lmfao.
With your lack of experience, I can see how some of these terms may look foreign to you.
Maybe you should start with the basics?
You couldn’t make me look like a fool if you tried sir.
That’s not how relevancy works. In a discussion over drag racing, I could say “stiffer springs up front on a drag car help weight transfer under hard acceleration from a dig” and you could say “softer springs with better rebound help with cornering.” Just because both are about “cars” doesn’t mean they’re instantly both relevant statements. Happy to edify you.
Obviously an AoE finishing move that has initial damage and a long duration bleed will do more than one generator. I don’t know why you keep posting that. No. Crap. And to your statement about the initial being higher even, that’s not true with 3x WF, as proved. And yes, rip ticks and ticks are extra damage. Consolidate your thoughts… so what are you getting at? Do you mean BT buffed rip ticks are worthwhile? Again, you advocate for rip as if it only exists in your build.
Well this part, since I’ve not done testing myself, I can’t comment on that much. GL on paper sounds like a good trait, though I’d only have one of them at first thought. The CP generating seems worthwhile however I could see where if you had so much crit (say from 3xJF) then it would be negligible because you’d be getting double points like crazy and the ticks for free ones simply would not come often enough to justify losing the extra crit from.
Not entirely. BT is king on single target fights which no one refutes. The question is, is it worth using on AoE fights and with that, you can’t look at numbers in a vacuum. It’s easy to say “25% more damage is more than 0% more damage!” But you have to be honest and look at the entire picture. Sure, 25% more damage on the rip ticks and the initial PW hit is nice, of course. I agree. BUT, is losing a global (which at the most basic level means a swipe) every 2-3 globals worth it? It’s not an insignificant question, that’s literally pressing 33% less buttons because realistically, you’re going to only need 3 globals tops to use another finisher. I’m fairly certain people used to say that it’s not even worth casting the finisher unless the bleed is about to run out on big AoE pulls. Is this wrong? So you’re giving up globals to buff damage. The question becomes, is the 25% more damage from rip/initial PW hit worth the loss in dps from not swiping those globals? Not a black and white as you may think. Lastly, to not have BT means you have MoC, which is even MORE damage on swipe (pending procs) and more energy. You can’t argue BT or not without looking at the strengths of both builds. It’s easy to say BT is better than no talent, you need to actually compare them.
I’d be interested to see that. However 2 enemies is hardly what we’re discussing here. Talking about mass Aoe Mythic + pulls. Also, I’d bet money that you didn’t change traits to supplement the “enemy” (MoC) builds. probably kept your 3xGL and just changed talents. Again, that’s poor testing and dishonest values.
I’m inclined to agree with that on AoE pulls regarding CP generation. It’s unlikely you’re going to get zero crits on hitting multiple targets with a 50+% crit chance. I see your point here. Now on ST, your thinking is wrong but assuming you meant AoE, I can’t help but agree. Again though, I’m not personally against GL. I just think 1 is plenty for it’s purpose.
Read your response. Tical said “the initial damage of his direct damage from PW, even WITH BT, is lower than swipe.” You then responded with "of course it will be, you are getting 3-5 swipes per PW. That literally makes zero sense. Why say that? He’s saying, one button press vs one button press, initial damage only, swipe beats PW. So why say “getting 3-5 swipes per blah blah” This is what I mean when I say you say irrelevant things. He then explains this to you and you literally say
Like… what? The # of swipes does nothing when comparing ONE hit to ONE hit lol. I mean you can’t possibly argue any other way. Then you go on to say…
Like kid… you’re killing me. Before, you were talking about INITIAL DAMAGE, vs INITIAL DAMAGE. Now you’re incorporating the bleed portion into your argument for… no reason. Obviously the point of PW is to bleed… no crap. Both builds do that. What’s in question is, what’s worth casting ONCE THE BLEED IS ALREADY UP, an initial hit from PW, or swipe. That’s it. That’s the question. And you can’t blanket say
Because the build that doesn’t increase rip damage by “over 40%” is the same build that also doesn’t increase swipe damage by a large amount, or provide more energy, or give you more globals to cast the aforementioned stronger swipes. Again… you argue in favor of your build without even looking or talking about the other one honestly.
I agree with you on this. Earlier, possibly in the other thread (despite what you may think, I can read the previous posts just fine) he claimed energy was coming in faster than he could spend it. If that’s the case, being free or not shouldn’t matter; especially since this whole argument has been based off DPE and not DPR. This leads me back to my previous question, once PW has been applied and the bleed is ticking, is it actually worth using PW at 5cps or should one just keep swiping (with the WF/MoC build)? I’m genuinely curious about that.
Flapping btw… not sure why it posted on a character I’ve never played before lol.
and I meant “Because the build that does increase rip damage by “over 40%” is the same build that also doesn’t increase swipe damage by a large amount…” Not doesn’t.
I mean you make yourself look like a fool so I dont have to do anything there. The reason I was repeating myself is because the guy was disagreeing with simple math and refused to believe otherwise.
You can sit here and nitpick everything in my statements all you want. It doesnt make them wrong.
I dont want to imagine how much time you spent worrying about every little detail of my posts. You spent so much time on this that you have several places where you are saying one thing and then saying another.
Nobody can tell what you are trying to say.
Take a look at the overall damage difference in rip when you have GL. Overall, it will still be doing more damage than you can swipe with x3 wfr.
Using GL you are saving globals by getting extra cp when it procs, which happens very often eapecially on multiple targets.
This combined with a sufficient amount of crit, overloads you with combo points. So much so that ive only had to cast one swipe sometimes and im back at 5 combo points.
That extra 40% rip damage is going to be a higher amount than you will be able to boost your swipe.
Soooo… what build am I supposed to run on my feral for good AoE and ST? I have 2 WFR and 2 JF traits. 30 something crit and 50% mastery.
Sabertooth, soul of the forest, primal wrath. bloodtalons all sim higher than moc in aoe no matter the traits.
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Is that your autobiography?
Bookins lay eggs, eggs can be thrown at houses, bompkin bad, feral good