havnt played a feral since legion and before that since wrath with the introduction to swarm as necro can someone explain what my go to opener/go or burst would be as a feral now? do i open with swarm and full bleeds? or do i save for a berserk frenzy go? thank you all 
Assuming necro, zerk isn’t really a crazy potent cd. None the less, my typical opener if I’m going hard is thus:
From stealth, pop tiger’s fury, rake, frenzy, swarm, zerk, rip. Then brutal slash until bite and do basic stuff.
After that you try and line up your frenzy go’s as often as possible. Always try and have tiger’s fury when you frenzy. Fury and swarm are almost the same cd but frenzy is 45. It’s worth sitting on tiger’s fury for 15s to get the frenzy off with it. Also worth reapplying rip with tiger’s up even if rip is already on them to snap shot.
A real solid 2’s opener for me facing a melee for example is:
The aforementioned opener, then once I rip I use my PS proc on root. I then charge the healer, bash him, and maledict the dps. You can hover near heals and if they trinket to dispel, insta roar and clone them.
I keep editing it thinking of stuff but I’ll go down a rabbit hole. There’s a lot of options but the main takeaway is you stun, frenzy them with swarm and tiger’s fury. That’s your burst. That alone is huge. Ideally after the opener you do that with bleeds already rolling.
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Opener is going to be rake from stealth always so it stuns the target.
Rake -->Tigers fury + on-use trinket → Adaptive swarm → moonfire —> (rip if rake or moonfire applications crit) feral frenzy → rip (if you didn’t apply right before frenzy) —> half maim or ferocious bite depending on situation.
That got a little messy so, you get double combo points on crits so if rake crits you’ll get at least 3 and I find that to be enough for the first rip application, since it pays off with an extra ferocious bite or a maim. Then you feral frenzy. Frenzy is your biggest burst. It’s 45s and do not ever use it without tigers fury + Adaptive swarm.
Then you’ll have another 5 combo points from that, so you can spend it on a maim or a ferocious bite depending on what the situation calls for.
Berserk is really underwhelming right now, but in 9.2 it’ll be significantly improved adding another huge bleed that will benefit from Adaptive swarm and tigers fury.
Right now I like to use it to bridge the damage gaps between frenzy cooldowns.
So you get a GO with frenzy, then you can berserk and keep higher-than-normal damage going out, then almost be at another GO with frenzy. It’ll keep alot of pressure for a long time and healers will fall behind.
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so did they change berserk in the spand of the last couple expacs cuz i remember it just increases your damage not all this weird rogue stuff its doing now
I don’t really know. Last I played feral (last I played any wow) was wod and I just macrod it with my incarnation for uber-damage spam.
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i miss incarn lol yeah from what i remember wrath-legion (last i played) berserk was a flat 30% damage increase i believe it was a lil boring but i guess thats why its changed to how it is now
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I believe it, I just don’t personally remember it very well.
Next patch it’s going to apply a significant bleed effect to all targets in 10 yards which is going to be incredibly juicy.
This is not an ideal opener in pvp.
—You do not want to rake before using tiger’s fury as TF will snapshot rake; not to mention stealth rake is even stronger.
—Using swarm right after is also not ideal as it only lasts 8s and you want the frenzy dot on asap. You can swarm while frenzy is “auto applying” for efficiency.
—You certainly wouldn’t waste the global to swarm, and then moonfire, and then rip (regardless or crits) before you frenzy as frenzy lasts for 6s once fully applied. Also not getting a 5pt rip with it being snapshotted is silly. If you apply any less you’re just wasting dmg.
You’d have to be perfect to even get the full value of swarm and the rake stun only lasts 4s meaning by the time you even start frenzy he only has 1s left of stun. That’s assuming he’s not orc or using sephuz or the like.
You simply use TF from stealth, rake, frenzy, swarm while it applies, and rip. From then on you can apply moonfire and the like.
Yea. It’s gone through iterations. Recently it used to do what Incarn does now and Incarn did what zerk does now. They changed it because they wanted the stronger of the two cds available baseline. But with a bleed heavy build it’s less impactful. Still useful for the sheer amount of finishers you can get off though plus buffed dmg modifiers. It’s not useless.
Not necessary. I tend to use it in the opener to get it on cd quicker. If you want to stagger it in some fashion, sure. Typically though, using offensive cds at the earliest time you can is standard.
You’re technically right here. Ideally you want your trinket and your TF up before applying rake but you can’t activate trinket in stealth without it breaking you so then you can only TF but then you either desync your 30s TF from you 1min trinket which isn’t awful but you aren’t gettingax benefit anyway…
Yes it should be tf rake trinket but rake tf trinket just makes it easier. You aren’t killing in the opener. I’m fine with it.
You lose at most 1 tic of feral frenzy but gain 1 tick of everything else. This is better. It’s less FF damage but more damage overall.
No you’re wasting damage. You’re essentially spending 8+ combo points on a 5cp rip. Those 3 CP are wasted energy and wasted damage. I have to refresh a rip sooner but get 10-20k instant damage out of it depending in if that fb crit or not. It’s better my way.
Adaptive before frenzy.
Well I don’t use the on use trinket every game and “de-synching” it by literally 1global is absolutely worth getting 30%+ more dmg on a stealth rake. Not to mention the trinket doesn’t snapshot. It’ll buff the damage while it’s active and dynamically reduce once it falls. I’m not sure how it makes it easier unless you just macro them together. It’s objectively worse. By a significant margin. Plus frenzy and TF don’t sync anyway. You’re going to be sitting on something for 10-15s regardless in the match.
It’s not. Swarm will not last as long as the other dots anyway. You will get fully buffed swarm dots for the full duration either way. Using swarm early just makes you lose rip and moonfire ticks of it. No reason not to swarm while frenzy is applying. You lose nothing. Every R1 feral does this.
How? I open and frenzy. I waste 1-2 cps at max and gain a full duration, full snapshot rip. I can then utilize all cps I gain from zerk or whatever else solely on efficient 5pt bites. You’re focusing on the dmg done literally in the opening seconds but said yourself you’re not killing anyway. You will 100% do more dmg if you don’t rush.
No, adaptive during frenzy. This one is on the verge of being pedantic but it’s still no use using swarm first when you can apply it during the application and get every single tick worth. Especially in pvp, you’re using far too many things before getting frenzy out. You want frenzy on cd quickly. You don’t want to give them time to react. A 4s stun and you’re opting to stun, TF/trinket, swarm, moonfire, and possibly rip before you even frenzy? The dude is not even stunned anymore potentially.
you hold Frenzy. You go every 30/1minute… mini GO’s w/ your 30second cds and big GO w/ everything every 1minutes… the only time i dont like that is against DH’s w/ blur, but even that is fine if you can just not get pre-blur on your go.
You have 3 stuns… Even if you mighty bash the off target / healer you still have half maim my way… like…
good. You want the damage buff while its active… you want as much damage as possible into the duration of Feral Frenzy… those 6 seconds are meaningful… the other time not at all…
that full duration full snapshot rip doesnt matter… once frenzy is over who cares about the damage rip is doing… you waste damage and energy your way. its better to just add 2extra GCDs w/ a moonfire early and get the rip going then frenzy. There’s no actual down side and it gives you a FB or a Maim…
Depends. Playing jungle? Sure. In 2’s? No.
Yeah but I try not to double or triple dr people in the opener for zero reason…
You also want the 30% dmg buff for literally free instead of being lazy and not just because you have a macro lol. Your argument is literally in favor of rake—> tf/trinket instead of TF—>rake—>trinket. And the reasoning was a 1 global desync and “easier” lol.
Ironic lol.
Listen at this point I’m chalking this up to you just not valuing or understanding the importance of globals, time, drs, and how arena functions at a moderate level. I’m telling you what I see ferals do in the 2.6-2.7mmr range. I’m sure at 1900 it doesn’t matter but 
Flaps there’s a good reason I beat your junglecleave at 1900.
Did you 1v3 them? Otherwise it’s not “I beat you”.
No but I landed several hibernate on the other feral which was too silly to form it
Bro… i know you didn’t just go there 
. That was quite literally me one on NF feral for the first time, completely screwing around with I don’t even remember who.
I also very distinctly remember you not even being the lowest damage by far, but having rip… RIP as your lowest damage. Like even below auto attacks I think. I have since been playing feral and found myself at over 2.4mmr in both 2’s and 3’s.
If you’d like to actually war games I’d be more than down? Or duel. Or literally anything.
What you really mean is that I hibernated you first during a go, and then you proceeded to spam it on me after I already convoked thinking you were doing something useful. Why would I shift every single one lol. I’d much rather get it dispelled and get put on DR. Silly.
I still loved the rage whisper. Was classy.
Use your brain flapz. Why would bleed damage be low against a hunter? Is it possible they have both a pvp talent and a legendary that wipes off all harmful effects including bleeds?
Couple that with me being forced into bear form for lower uptime
And having to control you the entire mat h since my partner, AN ENHANCENT shaman literally cannot aid me at all.
And yeah low damage and low uptime on rip makes total sense
What doesn’t make sense is you not shifting hibernate. Or you breaking my healer out of traps with brutal Slash. Or you convoke-ing without me being stunned.
This isn’t what happen3d at all. Lmfao. This is Trump levels of reality warping
I kill hunters all the time in 2’s 
Almost as if bleeds are one global from reapplying. And I’m actually fairly certain I was the kill target anyway…? Not that I recall because that game meant quite literally nothing to me lol.
I don’t remember any of that other nonsense. I’m literally getting used to button with people I don’t know. I treat 2k games like a skirmish man.
And I 100% did hibernate you first. That’s precisely what happened lol. Not that it matters. I’m absolutely not going to take pvp advice from a 1900 hardstuck player lmao. Day 3 on feral and I’m already far beyond being able to queue into you again. Well I did just make an alt one so maybe my 40k hp one will.
I’m glad you won that skirm anyway. Clearly you really needed that for your mental health lol. Hence the cringe rage whisper from someone who did like 16k total rip dmg and claimed I don’t know how to play. Hilarious.
I know you completely ignored me and will again but we can war games if you’d like. I’d love to show you how much I’ve improved!
Regardless to the OP, sorry for the derail. I’m sure you’ve gathered enough info to make your own conclusion. This guy “blocked me” which clearly lasted about 5s. It’s a shame.
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