Pressing one button once every 2m vs every 6 secs, it’s adding a button to the rotation instead of waiting for energy.
(no bearweaving, assuming you agree with blizzards original statement saying bearweaving is not how feral is intended to be played)
I don’t agree with their statement, given that I rend-weaved and later overpower-weaved (or as I prefer to call it, despair-weaving) from ulduar->icc in an effort to keep up with the insane buff feral got.
Blizzard is dumb, their development decisions are nonsensical, nothing they say matters unless the thing they say is “this is how something works now”, the “why” of “this is why we’re making this change” is irrelevant because they are stupid.
Try looking at it this way, if you looked at the class objectively and assumed a Cat damage class is suppose to stay in cat form.
The same way a balance druid doesn’t get out of boomkin form during a boss fight
The same way a bear main tank never switches to cat while tanking a boss
The same way a resto druid stays on their healing form, or in cata , in their original form.
Most feral players enjoy playing cat for mono-cat and blizzard also made a statement that bear weaving is not intended at all.
If you can look at it this way, would you agree that having a mono-cat feral perform similar to a tank class not acceptable or is very very depressing for mono-cat ferals.
The class doesn’t need to be top 5 or top 10 , just a fix for the 2 to 4 second continuous wait time between abilitys.(having to stare at energy bar for 2- 4 secs to get enough energy to press a button a billion times per fight) ( for example clearcasting tooltip indicates clearcasting should have rng of all abilitys from druid including special abilitys, yet the rng is only ocurring off auto attacks). Private server realms have the chance rng of clearcasting react of all of druids abilitys rather than just autoattacks.
but i also get it, if you don’t agree with that specific statement from blizzard then you can’t possibly see it from a mono-cat perspective.
It’s a druid. Thematically, weaving between bear and cat is great and should’ve been leaned into. Just because they didn’t go that route with other specs doesn’t mean feral can’t. Not only that, feral DID go that way because players found it to do more dps. There’s plenty of ways to accommodate either playstyle without just blanket adding thousands of dps like they did with the FF change. Rogues quite literally run into the issue of waiting on their energy to tick constantly, ferals have an option to ignore that and have more buttons to press and instead of being happy about it you guys cry that it’s too hard and must be buffed, and not only buffed but buffed in a way that kills off a thematic playstyle while also dumbing down the rotation?
Warriors run out of abilities to press in vanilla/tbc/wrath, and we filled our empty globals with hamstring, or later rend/overpower. We find something to press because staring at our bars waiting for a button to press is stupid.
However, you know why they aren’t going to buff ferals any other way than an insane blanket change like the FF glyph? Because any tuning to spells would have to account for the already insane damage they have in PvP.
To give you an idea.
In Wrath blizzard changed it so that bearweaving isn’t a thing for a reason
On Pandaria, they separated bears (guardian) ,and feral druids damage and talents to avoid bearweaving
Thematically ,you are wrong, if you ask most feral druid players they mostly enjoy mono- cat, only a small amount actually enjoy having to bearweave, it was simply created by the players to try to squeeze toothpaste out of the last bit thats inside of the tube and now you assume it’s the only way to play the class, when in fact , its not intended.
The original Glyph doesn’t affect pvp, only works for pve targets.
Yeah, and it was massively overtuned regardless and should never have been added. This is the part you people don’t seem to understand for some reason. It should never have been added. They didn’t need it in wrath. Just because some moron at blizzard says bear weaving is “not intended” means nothing. You know what was “intended” according to blizzard?
A whole bunch of nerfs to warrior specifically during wrath classic that never existed in original wrath.
Their opinion means nothing. They have all the data and read none of it, learn nothing from it.
BTW, Thematically, I am correct. A druid is a MASTER OF NATURE, and feral specifically is a master of forms pertaining to melee combat. That sounds like bear and cat to me. So why is it only some rando devs who never worked on the original game have any say on the original intent of anything? Just because they don’t like that feral druids had a more complex rotation because of it doesn’t make it bad. Games are allowed to have a skill gap, learn something.
The glyph annihilated the complexity of feral (as evidenced by the massive spike in people playing it that literally never played druid in their lives). Adding it back in to cata would be moronic, the correct thing to do would be to recheck the scaling of abilities but here’s the thing with that, not a single one of you has provided proof that feral doesn’t scale up with more gear in future tiers. Being bad in the first tier is expected from any class that needs high secondary stats to perform. Welcome to being a scaling class.
ah yes! lets buff feral again to make not only the raids easier because of their dmg buff, but make everyone re-roll feral again!
no thanks
Again, stop your bios.
Look at it from a different perspective, look at the changes for wrath, and the future of feral being separated with guardian (bear) , and feral (cat) starting in MoP Again. look at what most feral druids enjoy playing.
Why is it that in your eyes, only feral is switching forms, when in pve , for balance bommie stays bommie, bear stays bear for main tanking, healer stays healing.
I get your point, you hate ferals and don’t want to see a buff ever.
Look at it from a mono-cat intended perspective and prove that you don’t have a zug warrior angry ptsd brain.
Mono-cat being intended according to who? You? Classic devs who don’t get a say in the intent of designs of people from 15 years ago? The devs who worked on the next xpac of classic that hasn’t started yet? Also from 14 years ago?
If bear-weaving wasn’t intended you know what else wasn’t intended? Rend weaving and overpower weaving as warrior. But they left that alone. Weird huh?
Your bias is showing.
Can you look at it from multiple perspectives?.
I acknowledge and actually agree with some of your points, are you capable on doing the same instead of assuming thing on a class you don’t even play.
Again, look at the data from future expansions like mop, and what changes were done in wrath, and all the feedback from most of the feral community *which is by the way almost dead due to its current state
Oh no feral dps has low parse counts? In an xpac where it’s not massively overtuned as a dps, but is still the #1 off-tank and s-tier in pvp?
Dang man, you should go look at how warrior did in wrath. Fury’s parse count was less than druid and pala’s single spec counts and accounted for over 90% of all warrior parses as a class.
I am looking at it from multiple perspectives. You guys blew your chance in wrath having a mental breakdown that druid wasn’t massively broken because you compared it to pserver performance. Got buffed, then when blizzard tried to nerf druid you guys sent death threats to the developers.
Now you’re in a “worse” position and demanding buffs again. You guys should’ve been happy you weren’t getting randomly nerfed because blizzard was worried about your perfomance with a legendary a year after the xpac launched.
You should definitely take your own advice and see from others perspective’s.
You say you are looking at it from multiple perspectives yet you fail to agree to a single point discussed in the past few months in any feral post. You are blind in your feral druid hate.
There’s nothing to agree with, certainly not when your solutions are a the same awful bandaid they gave you before. You guys blew your chance in wrath. And especially after you guys made sure to give us warriors an earful about how you guys deserved to be on top but we deserved to be on bottom because we’d scale up and be #1 in RS/ICC with a legendary.
You can call that hate if you want, I’d call that karma though.
You keep going back to what happened to you as a warrior from specific ferals and have admitted you dislike it for that and many other reasons.
Due to this you simply can’t look at it from any other perspective, it’s clear you refuse to, like a children, i hope in the future you grow out of this.
If you truly can’t agree with a single point in the past few months in which you’ve commented on ALL feral post’s, that in itself shows you you have kitty ptsd.
There’s no two absolutes, nothing wrong with disagreeing and agreeing with points, if you can’t do this, you can’t be taken serious Mr Zug.
I agree we don’t deserve to be on the top at all, i simply want to point out the class is in a horrible state, you should know this better than anyone
There’s nothing to agree with. You guys haven’t posted any proof that feral doesn’t scale up over the next couple tiers. You guys haven’t provided any real solutions other than rehashing the awful bandaid from wrath that absolutely never should have been released. You guys refuse to accept that your spec can just be bad sometimes and to be thankful that you have other specs that are A/S-tier.
Warrior didn’t get buffed in wrath. We in fact, got nerfed. Ret and feral both got buffs, of which only the ret buff was well constructed and thought out. And the ret buff was created by a guy in the pala theorycrafting discord, surprise surprise someone not working at blizzard.
There’s nothing to discuss unless you guys can provide sims or come up with actual solutions to ferals problems that aren’t “make the rotation braindead” because we saw how poorly the glyph design actually worked in wrath. Great for bad ferals, awful for everyone else who now had to deal with ferals going from upper mid pack to s-tier for the rest of the game.
I’m certainly not going to let my opinion by swayed when the majority of the ferals whose logs I’ve seen that are begging for feral buffs, are also gray/green parsers. There’s no buff that can help them not be awful. They’d benefit more from spending 10 minutes on a target dummy and reading the pins in their class discord.
You say “make rotation braindead” assuming you have to bearweave.
Bearweaving only increases your damage by a small amount , even with bearweave its very bad.
It’s not braindead to add a button to press every 6 seconds instead of waiting for energy.
and what do the logs tell you?
Most classes green parse does better damage than a feral purple or orange parse.
Your rotation isn’t complex. You manage the same amount of stuff as an IEA rogue did in wrath. You’re not some genius doing a rotation nobody else can do. It’s literally tracking 2 bleed debuffs, maintaining a buff, and smashing a builder. Adding FF to that is not “complex”
So how is adding FF to that making it brain dead?
I never said it’s making it complex, it’s simply adding another button to the rotation.
How is it making it easier?. you are pressing ff so you can press a button to do damage instead of waiting