I just ran a Delve 8 and my DPS was significantly lower than the flamethrower provided for the Delve Earthcrawl Mines. Even when using all my DPS cooldowns, the flamethrower would tick for way more than all my bleeds basically combined. What is going on here?
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I am hating Feral 
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I am not sure but this is happening for what its worth.
- Feral
- Bloodtalons and Lion’s Strength no longer also increase the damage of Rampant Ferocity.
- Developers’ note: In response to feedback that this change reduced the value of maintaining Rip and complicated using Bloodtalons in AOE, we are reverting this change.
- All ability damage increased by 3%.
- Rip damage increased by 6%.
- Ferocious Bite damage increased by 3%.
- Feral Frenzy damage increased by 10%.
- Druid of the Claw: Ravage damage increased by 3%.
- Bloodtalons and Lion’s Strength no longer also increase the damage of Rampant Ferocity.
This looks great, I guess, but I’m personally having some serious energy issues that it just doesn’t even feel fun to play. I’m faily new at kitty, so I don’t know if this is a build issue, a gear issue, or a rotation issue.
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Having low energy is the nature of the spec since the changes Blizzard made going into TWW. Not saying there aren’t things you might be able to do to improve the feel; but having periods of low energy is part of the spec. If you’re pooling energy before finishers and making good use of Tiger’s Fury, then what you are experiencing is what happens with the spec. As much as it pains me to say as more kitties in the barn are better than fewer, if the pacing isn’t your cup of tea then the spec may just not be for you.
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Thanks for the reply. It felt really good at 70 and during pre-patch, but started to really feel slow by 78 or so. Could it still feel better as gear gets better, given the way scaling works while leveling?
As much as I enjoyed it during the leveling experience the endgame version feels actively unfun. I suppose you’re right - pooling energy is not a playstyle I particularly find entertaining, but I’m glad it’s there for those that do.
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Balancing is hard it seems. Feral going into lvl 8 delv having issues, but on the other hand one shotting players in arenas and battlegrounds.
It could. Higher haste gives us more energy regen and higher crit gives us more energy refund due to enabling more finishers per minute. But even at peak values by the end of the expansion of both, we will have nowhere near as much free energy as we had in SL and especially DF. But coming into TWW a decently geared kitty probably had upwards of 50% crit and 30% haste.
Players don’t have 28 million health. 
When I’ve tried to run T8 as feral, it was common for me to blast through the first 8 million on those elites inside of a handful of seconds, but then the DPS falls off sharply and feral is tough to stay upright for the remaining 45 seconds we need to down the enemy.
too low energy
To each their own. TWW is a middle ground between what feral was back in the Wrath timeframe and the accelerated version we’ve had since Legion timeframe. Like I said, I am really enjoying it, but it won’t be everyone’s cup of tea. Without Blizzard significantly reversing course on the pace of the spec, outside of a small amount more regen directly from haste and indirectly from crit, this is how the spec is going to feel.
Ferals a glass cannon. It’s great in pvp because you just bear form but delves I’m kiting for my life.
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I’ve been basically just waiting for CD’s for most packs, stealthing past packs I don’t need and making sure to root problematic enemies and range pull with Moonfire. I’ll also try to allow Brann to take some of the aggro and make sure to get rip and rake on everything. You can then proceed to moonfire kite the non-casting enemies and abuse things like Typhoon and Ursol’s to help keep the mobs away. I have found success running in for another Primal Wrath when Brann’s minions aoe fear/stun.
Obviously this won’t always work especially vs casters, but that’s what we have Berserk and Survival Instincts/Barkskin for. You can also spec into something like Nature’s Vigil which works really well in tandem with Primal Wrath and Apex/Rampant Ferocity damage.
Some of the bosses can be a slog depending how hard they melee, on 8’s some of the bosses can melee me for more than half my HP if I don’t have skin or SI up, lots of kiting and using different curios/bear form to keep me alive and able to kite in different phases.
Note all of this is playing as Wildstalker, with the lack of access to talents like Symbiotic Bloom and Harmonious Constitution and basically all the other healing increases provided Druid of the Claw really really struggles in delves, at least from what I’ve seen. I want to do more experimentation once I’ve got a bit more gear and experience in some of the different delves at 8.
TL;DR: Feral is a lot of “deal damage then kite” in delves, it’s just how it kinda has to be with how squishy we are.
This is how i managed to get my 11 done. lots of careful planning on each pull
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Feral was great until they hotfixed / nerfed their damage.
Now it feels … Idk, less than mediocre?
- Which is a shame, since they’re almost always the novelty meatbag spec of the class and rarely ever taken seriously
A flickering moment of spotlight is all feral will get, before they’re ultimately pummelled back into the slums of D tier and laughed at by Blizzard.
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Interesting how people complain about the energy and thus the “feel” of feral. Then one or two apologists reply to every single post with their “expert” opinion.
Honestly, I don’t think anyone cares to hear the same tired response over and over. The fact is, it feels clunkier than ever to most and their opinion counts just as much as anyone else’s.
To me, they stripped away the things that made feral feel special to me over the last several expansions (and no, talking about what it used to be like a decade ago doesn’t impress). Today is a new day. And “recent memory” is what a lot of people actually care about. Especially those that are intellectually honest and not on here posing 24/7.
Taking away our range while Ret Pally can hit from a mile away? Seriously, it feels like we have to be inside our target or things don’t fire off.
Slowing the spec down to idiotic levels? Oh, good gracious me, I just love being able to bake a cake and a dozen cookies in between button presses. I don’t know what I would do without it, I used to get carpal tunnel when it was faster - OMG. All I can say is showing my skill level and aptitude for planning is more important than fluid gameplay and those ghastly damage meters - Gadzooks!
Gutting predator? I used to love the fact that feral maybe didn’t burst as high, but with tiger’s fury resets, we usually won out in the end of large pulls. Other classes would burst and die out, we just got stronger over time. Now what?
Also, please stop the nonsense of "well, there are talents you can take to make it “feel” better, but not if you are a slave to “damage meters”. Give me a break…
Regardless of the damage it ends up doing later in the xpac, the “feel” is off for a lot of people - today. In my opinion, it’s the wannabe elitest that get on here talking about what it is “supposed” to be, blah, blah, blah. Heard it the last 15x you posted your opinion, over it, I don’t think you are preaching to the choir on this one.
So now let’s get to it. Break my post down into 15 sections and add your commentary line by line because you have nothing better to do. Heck you could probably write an essay in the time it takes to pool for a bite 45 seconds into an AOE pack - lol. So go start that +0 and you should be able to write a book by the end of the dungeon! I for one don’t care and don’t plan on wasting my time reading it though 
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That’s all you have to say. Your opinion is this. Why bash others on their opinion?
PS - Blizzard came out and said this is how they want Feral to be. So it’s not apologists…they’re relaying what Blizzard said since everyone seems to have either missed it or ignored it lol
How was your soapbox?
You do realize how hypocritical this stance is, yes? That the players who prefer the TWW pace shouldn’t contribute to the discussion when someone with the other opinion chimes in, making it seem like the dominant opinion is that the change was bad.
Isn’t it just as tired from players who insist feral druid should be nothing more than a sin rogue with paws?
Do you have a source that most find it clunkier than ever? Also seeing as the TWW pace is still faster than Wrath, I don’t think this would even be a true statement in the first place.
Also, pot meet kettle…
What made feral feel special the past few expansions to you? Rotationally the spec was just a sin rogue. Snapshotting is what makes feral druid stand out rotationally, and it’s simply an afterthought with 100% TF uptime and unlimited energy.
Being recent is just as weak of an argument as what it was like a decade ago. I’ve given you arguments for why DF feral sucked for me that have nothing to do with when we’re talking. Compared to your attempts to pretend to speak for others when offering your own opinion.
The range changes were dumb and I don’t know anyone who likes it. I’m with you here.
Feral druid burst is actually some of the highest it’s been in TWW. In both M+ and raid, I’m usually jumping out to a big lead at the start of pulls rather than having ridiculous ramp-up. It’s actually rather strange.
Why is this nonsense? Every spec has things where you can adjust the feel away from meta if you’re willing to be less optimal. Feral is no different.
Because you included no substance in your entire post. You didn’t respond to any of the points those who like the TWW pace are making, just a stereotype you decided apples to us. Notice that not a single line in this response tries to say your opinion is wrong, merely highlight the absurdity of the classifications you’ve made of those of us with a differing opinion while offering the reason I hold the opinions I do. Of course I suspect if you had an ability to address these points, you wouldn’t have included this last paragraph trying to get ahead of the valid criticisms someone might have with your post.
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Well half the people in this section including me and him…it’s unbelievable clunky and has zero flow. It’s just not fun. I would love to press buttons but I’m waiting for energy, I would love to play the game, but no, I have to read a book first then I MIGHT have enough energy. Don’t use “where’s your source” when we are literally in the source
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There have been 14 unique posters in this thread. Only 4 mentioned energy in a negative light. Most players did not offer any opinion on how “clunky” the spec feels. Not even a third of the people in a thread with only 19 posts have made any claim about it being clunky.
Nevermind the fact that the WoW forums will always be a minority of players. Nevermind the fact that feral being a low population spec will make it more likely for sentiment to be affected by bias. Nevermind the fact that humans are more likely to complain about things they dislike than praising things they enjoy.
Fun is subjective. Again, you’re welcome to your opinion, but you do not speak for more than yourself (and indirectly people who have voiced similar sentiments).
Feral druid was basically a budget sin rogue from Legion until DF, its primary mechanic (snapshotting) fundamentally does not work with a glut of energy. Game design wise, Blizzard needed to either slow the spec down or replace snapshotting entirely. To appeal to most players, Blizzard needed to change feral, sin, or both so they weren’t basically the same spec.
It sucks that you don’t find it fun, but some do. It’s not possible for Blizzard to please everyone, but something needed to change.
You two are the source for your opinions on the subject. But the claim to which I was responding was that the spec feels clunkier to most, to which I was asking for a source. It’s not like feral was a popular spec during DF when we had nearly unlimited energy to work with. At best it’s moving the goal posts to try to dismiss the request for a source for that claim because you are voicing your own opinion on the subject.
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