I mean… Everyone tells everyone how to play the game. It’s all unsolicited advice from every elitest that plays this game… It’s not a man problem; it’s a WoW gamer problem. Everyone thinks they’re better than they actually are, and their way is the right way. You better play their way or else you’re doing it wrong…
It has nothing to do with what gender someone is. And it has nothing to do with what gender you are. Everyone does it, and everyone gets it. YOU seem like you just want to hate on men because you think it’s the cool thing to do.
You sound like the kind of “feminist” that would rather Man-hate rather than uplift Women. Instead of making Women equal and empowered, you’d rather just tear down all Men instead… That’s not Feminism… It’s childish. And quite frankly you make the actual Feminists; who work really hard for equality; look really bad.
People will always try to tell you how to do things better. It doesn’t matter what gender you or they are. They may be right or wrong. They will still do it.
Disclaimer: I’m not trying to white-knight or anything, but even as a guy, I see it fairly often in PUGs. Girl joins PUG, everyone gets in disc. “OMG LOL UR A GURL. HOW OLD R U?”
A good guild and/or friends to group with makes for a good bubble I imagine, but the pug scene definitely seems to draw a lot of the toxic neckbeards.
They absolutely can. OP pointed out the toxic behavior towards women/girls, other people retorted that they haven’t experienced. I simply added that individual mileage may vary.
I’d hate it if I waited in LFG for 25 minutes for a PUG and got creeps.
I guess it depends like most things on what you subject yourself to tho. Do I walk through the bad neighborhood alone at 3 am? No. Do I join random voice with ppl I have no need to talk to? No. If I join for raid, do I have to speak if I don’t know these people? No.
Just say something/don’t laugh when someone is saying/doing something inappropriate. That’s all you and I and everyone can do.
Well and within guilds gms and officers can make it clear from the beginning that they don’t accept certain kinds of behavior. Doesn’t just include creepy behavior but also bullying etc. If there’s an atmosphere of trust where everyone would shoot the gm or an officer a message when someone in the guild has said or done something they can’t just get over or excuse then it’s easy to get rid of the people who make the guild a bad place to be.
You know, I get what you mean and I partly agree but at the same time we have to look at whether guys have to think about that stuff. Can a guy just join a random pug disc, not use a voice changer and still not get creeped on? Probably though I’m sure guys do get creeped on as well.
I feel like the whole “you don’t walk through a bad neighborhood” or “you don’t join a pug voice chat” as a woman just goes to show that there apparently is a problem there and while I get advising people to just avoid those places that are likely to result in bad situations for them, the underlying problem still isn’t that some women don’t avoid those places but that, in order to not be creeped on, they have to avoid those places.
We kinda have to look at both sides. We can avoid those spaces that are likely to lead to bad situations but we also have to work towards those spaces not leading ro bad stuff as often.
And it doesn’t matter if it’s women or men having to avoid certain spaces the other sex can be in without being made to feel uncomfortable. Everyone should just be able to enjoy all parts of life and this game and I feel like by telling people to avoid spaces other people never have to avoid we just accept that some people are indirectly excluded from certain spaces because if they join those spaces and are actually made to feel uncomfortable it’s their fault cause “well shouldn’t have joined that pug voice chat; shouldn’t have had your pic on disc; should’ve used a voice changer; should’ve acted like you’re a dude”. I mean, come on. Everyone in this thread who uses the “well just avoid x” is very adamant about not blaming the victim but it’s just victim blaming lite.
(and no, not all men are creeps and I’m positive most aren’t but one creep can make multiple women (or men) uncomfortable, not just one, so it can still happen often - especially now that reputation in game isn’t worth anything anymore and you can just change your name whenever your rep is actually destroyed. Or switch realm)
