Feels bad to play Horde

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“Goes back in time to slaughter orcs until you have your fill, including killing all their iconic characters from warcraft 2”

iT wAs a HoRdE eXpAnSiOn

Alliance mentality as it finest. You would think alliance players would love that, but no, since filthy orcs appear in the screen, its horde expansion.

“Even though they are VILLAINS, with the theme of slavery, they are meant for you to resonate with then, the same iron horde that you have to MURDER”

Oh nice, i love to resonate with making all the orcish heroes villains to kill, and of course all TROLLS, would resonate with the orcs.

You know whats the real slap in the face? AU orgrin not even existing

Clearly, by your own logic, we can conclude he was there to resonate with alliance, with human mage themes, thus, making him not neutral and alliance

And you speak was those stories were also acceptable to the horde players, the lack of self awareness.

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The entire horde storyline in mop and bfa is how the horde was used as a narrative devise to show how war in warcraft is bad, and the alliance get to have the moral highground by attacking then without worry.

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Not being able to recognize WoD as a Horde-themed expansion is maximum coping.

And Ogrim literally is in WoD lol. Blizzard killed him because the legend of Ogrim was as “The best Orc ever” basically and without his equivalent in Anduin Lothar being around, they killed him off.

But to equal the death of an AU charactet, they killed MU Maraad. Do you see how that’s not an equivalent “exchange” in any way, shape or form?

The story would be better off if Blizzard never had that mentality of “well we have to give alliance this, so horde gets that. Alliance loses this, so Horde loses that” but fans like yourself make that impossible.

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Coping is thinking the entire expansion where you kill orcs and slaughter their clans is a horde-theme one.

Is the same crap cope alliance players use to argue mop is horde theme, when we had to invade our own city and kill our leaders.

Do you SEE him? do you INTERACT with him? they killed him off unapologetic.

Its not an equivalente change, because its no way related to be equivalent in the first place. It didn’t dawn on you, that sometimes death is a natural path of a narrative? he died for Yrel, its an event to push her story forward, it had nothing to do with Orgrin

This is yet another nonsense alliance take, horde characters get killed LEFT AND RIGHT(all the orc chieftains and Durotar’s brother) and when ONE alliance dies, they have to kill another horde character for extra measures.

Just like after all the WHINNING alliance did in the Legion alpha, whining that varian died and Vol’jin didn’t, so, they changed the entire thing to kill vol’jin off as well

The story would be better without blizzard gladly abiding everything self-entitled alliance and elf players like yourself wants

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Kinda like complaining one has nothing to eat but their opposites only have poo sandwiches to eat. There are times some would rather starve then eat what they have but the ones who get nothing can’t seem to grasp the ones with the poo sandwiches would rather starve and, as such, keep harping on the fact the ones that got poo at least got SOMETHING.

And now that Alliance is getting “fed”, all Horde players are asking for is non-poo scraps to enjoy yet are getting told we deserve nothing because we were fed the poo sandwiches before.

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Nah I’d say MoP was a fairly balanced expansion and the best story WoW has ever told. It had characters from all sides with their own stories being told, aside from worgen and goblin who were on the backburner and mostly forgotten.

Your takes aren’t grounded in reality, that’s the simple version of it. It’s crazy that Horde only players project all of this “whining and seething” onto their (non-existant) Alliance-only counterparts.

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That did not happen. Bwonsamdi shows up and says his new role as Loa of Kings wont stop him from looking out for the Darkspear. Vol’jin is nowhere to be seen.

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Ah yes, the expansion that the horde leader gets villain bainted and you invade a horde city to sack and kill their characters, AND horde have to be forced to do that as well is “balanced”

Oh dang if it was a bit more alliance it would have nuked the city, and still would not be
enough, but sure, even by winning the alliance think they lost or got a draw, lmao

And now thats cope.

It literally happened dear.

In Legion alpha vol’jin didn’t die in darkshore, he was MIA, he went to look for the zandalari to seek their help, that would link directly and organic with BFA, but after all the alliance whining of how only Varian died, blizzard kill him off and the plot change for some nonsense about how Sylvanus would look for then for some reason.

But what can i say, anyone that think wod and mop are horde expansions are completely delusional to reality, they would never listen

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Alliance mains will never believe they won anything until they get a 5 minute cinematic consisting of the entire Horde prostrating themselves before Anduin and calling him Big Poppa and begging for mercy with full snot-nosed anime tears.

anything less is an absolute, complete Horde victory, because Blizzard loves the Horde and hates the Alliance.

or whatever.

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You could at least make the effort to recall the events correctly. Vol’jin dies on Broken Shore, not Darkshore.

More importantly, Garrosh isn’t “villain-batted”. He grew organically into the role of being a villain. When Thrall brings Garrosh into the Horde post-BC, Garrosh is shown to be eager to prove himself. His idea of “proving himself” was to earn the respect of the “New Horde” under Thrall, and what better way to do that other than to become a War Hero in the Northrend Campaign–where he is displayed as being all too eager to engage Alliance forces in squables when the main enemy was the Scourge.

Garrosh continues to show his hostility towards “the other side” in:

  1. 3.1, where Garrosh goads Varian, and then attacks him
  2. 3.2, where Garrosh is shown to be unwilling to work with other races, and even taunting Thrall for it

Between Wrath and during Cataclysm, Garrosh and Varian duel. Garrosh loses. After this, Garrosh becomes increasingly interested in destroying Stormwind and the Alliance. He becomes OBSESSED with it. This is where Garrosh’s inferiority complex comes into play:

  1. In the beginning of Twilight Highlands questing experience, Garrosh goes out of his way to attack Alliance forces.
  2. At the rip of Mists, Garrosh is shown to be set on claiming Pandaria and making sure the Alliance is unable to establish a presence. Garrosh saw it as an opportunity to gain resources which he could use to crush the Alliance
  3. Garrosh resorts to extreme measures in order to defeat the Alliance, including using a literal Nuke.

Garrosh grew into the role of a villain, and it was foreshadowed ever since he was introduced. He represented everything about the Old Horde which Thrall had wanted to bury–bloodthirtsy savages who loved battle.

Nobody says that Arthas is “villain-batted” because he grew into that role.

Characters that were truly hit with the villain bat are characters like Illadin, Kael’thas and Archbishop Benedictus.

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Big deal, like what shore mistake changes the point.

While Varian, who was just like him grew organically into the role of a hero

Balanced, am i right? horde bias am i right? get a beloved character and “organically grow him into a villain!” amazing

Just as Varian is eager to engage on horde forces, as you know, he literally declared war in undercity and tried to kill thrall right there.

Where Varian also goads Garrosh?

Do you actually realize this happens AFTER, Varian declare war against the horde, tried to kill thrall and saying peace can never be achieved?

You could at least make the effort to recall the events correctly, Garrosh never loses to Varian in all of their duels, Varian is on top in Ashenvale because Garrosh was already fighting all day while Varian came rested blessed with the power of a wild god, 100% a deus ex machina cheating. Later they fight after Theramore destruction but their duel is ended by the krakens, but there Garrosh was on top.

Ok…? if you didn’t notice, we are in WAR, war that VARIAN declared back in undercity.

Should i remind you how the alliance was invading the barrens and durotar? killing taurens and orcs alike? the dwarves were bombing tauren villages to dig for titan artifacts.

Which the alliance literally did the same, if they didn’t want war they would not be there trying to establish a presence and gather resources as well

So yeah miss me with that nonsense, Garrosh and varian were the same warmongers but they only deem fit to make Varian a hero and Garrosh a villain besides. unlike you said. he was foreshadowed to grow and be a better person the same.

But horde expansion and bias am i right

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factions? meh never really cared about the whole thing anyways, it’s just an interesting way to make world pvp fun but world pvp is not great in retail anyways.

Looking forward to the expansion that comes after The Last Titan when all the world is destroyed and reformed (cataclysm 2.0) and there are no factions and you can world pvp with everyone and anyone

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its possible the arathi emperor is gonna be a big threat

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Nothing you say is based in reality.

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Literally based on the game scenario attack of undercity, the shattering book, and the shortstories, but i guess you don’t know anything about since you can’t even refute

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Not to derail the arguing…

But, I think it’s interesting to see how characters were written in Mists and compare that to DF.

We can see Horde characters in Mists say things like “For Quel’thalas and for the Horde!” Their mindsets are radically different, their objectives are different, their personalities are different. They’re more outgoing and more motivated… We compare this to DF and a lot of the characters are incredibly passive, they have no motives beyond pushing a quest forward.

I honestly think that there was more depth to the NPC’s in Mists. And that depth was more realistic and better founded. In DF we have quirky characters doing quirky things, or characters complaining about stupid crap that I don’t personally care about.

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The Alliance doesn’t want the Earthen either. Give us the Harronir! Much more interesting race… Also, what’s the deal with them being able to be Death Knights? They’re friggin’ robots. They’re not “alive.” They shouldn’t be able to be raised into undeath lol.

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You’re actually misrecalling how they play out because of bias. Thus;

Not based in reality

Your points have been refuted. But I can’t disprove someone who is delusional.

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I’m not sure anyone wants to be earthen. “Hey, have you ever wanted to be like a dwarf, but a rock!?” “Uh, no…can I be like…a gnoll, or an ogre, or a-” “YOU GET TO BE A ROCK!”

We are going underground, it would have been the perfect time for ogres. WOD would have been the perfect time for ogres. There has been so many ogre opportunities.

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We don’t get any khadghars, jaina’s, alleria’s, malfurions or really any character with any semblance of strength. Thalyssra pees her pants at the sight of jaina, baine is baine, thrall is just some guy who loses his axe.

Writers don’t seem interested in truly writing horde characters. No new ones, no power. Just a legacy of more of our characters dying off.

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