Yah, the NB move around like NE’s do.
But what about Shadowlands? The horde was there.
Some of them caused us serious problems! lol
Where? We got to do the rescue Baine and find Thrall’s axe quest. Which was also helping Jaina and Anduin. And that was pretty much it. Thrall and Baine literally just sit in the corner after that while we get quests from Bolvar.
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SL was okay if you were a Sylvannas lover.
BFA and SL had good horde stuff. The post was more so about the future.
TWW looks pretty skewed based on what we saw now. Anduian is going to be our guide through the Arathi Zones. Magni, Moria going to be our guide through the Earthen Zones.
What little faction stuff there was in DF was Tyrande and the NE, Reclaiming Gilneas, Alleria with Dark Heart.
So from my perspective, DF and TWW looks pretty ally heavy. One reason I wrote the thread was too see if others felt the same.
Now this is either criminally dishonest or your victim complex lights up the moon at night.
They didnt give nightbourne to Horde for the sake of giving us the nelf model, we didnt even ask for it.
They were just telling a story and that was their conclusion, to join the horde and be with the people who understood their plight of addiction.
God damn, so much reaching here.
Baine gives some quests in DF.
Garrosh was being tortured in that one Raid. Gosh, he was feisty.
Sylvanas was trying to destroy reality. She was horde. She was in BFA and SL a lot.
– I guess I’m not understanding the concerns about there not being horde NPC’s in a story, but there are many expansions where they were active and visible? TWW hasn’t even come out yet, so it’s hard to know what’s going to be in there, entirely.
Not at all. In universe it makes more sense for the nightborne to rejoin their kaledorei brothers and sisters. The reason they joined the horde was a calculated decision. That patch saw the Alliance get blood elf models (void elfs) and the horde get night elf models (nightborne) So the races swapped models to give more options to both sides.
Respectfully disagreeing here, if you have any evidence from the quest text or events from Surmar please share it
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A quest. That’s not in SL. And it was over a year ago.
Garrosh was not a quest. It’s a short cinematic. And he gets disenchanted.
Sylvanas had already left the Horde before SL after murdering our then Orc leader Saurfang.
Because you are seeing single quests, usually side quests or a short cinematic as Horde content. And conflating content from other expacs to SL.
First two areas are on the alpha. We might not know what happens later, but the beginning is certainly Alliance leaning. Thrall leaves early and we get apparently a Goblin raid which might not have anything to do with the Horde allied Goblins.
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There were some clues in Legion for sure. For example, the NB going through a similar arc that Blood Elves went through in BC. Then there was Tyrande distrusting them as being potentially traitors while Blood elves treated them well. Then on the Vindicaar there was some dialogue there about asking about the Horde. I thought it was fine. Though they could have easily written it the other way and it doesn’t really say whether Blizzard had a meta reason for it or not. I don’t believe there was really.
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Tyrande didn’t just distrust the Nightborne, she went out of her way to insult them at every opportunity.
If you could look on her character sheet, I bet she’d have a negative Diplomacy rating.
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I don’t remember the exact quote, but I remember she said something to the affect of “How do I know you won’t end up like Elisande” or something really close implying they wouldn’t be loyal. It’s possible I am wrong on that, it’s been since whenever that came out that I’ve done that questline or looked at it. But it’s something I remember nonetheless.
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She calls them “mana addicts” for crying out loud. 
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Rokhan has been in the game since WC3. The only troll that has gotten more screen time then him is Voljin.
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I keep reading about Midnight being the Blood Elf expansion. It takes place in Quelthalas, it’s going to be about the Blood Elves. Knowing Blizzard it’s going to be more about Alleria and the Void Elves having to save Blood Elves. Let’s face it Blizz writes us as rather incompetent. When have we not needed the Alliances to come and save us? Blood Elves will be background characters and comedic relief. I’m preparing my jesters uniform.
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With Blizzard’s current story team, Midnight will be all about Lorthemar apologizing to Alleria and Tyrande and saying they were right, all along. And everyone knows it.
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The problem isn’t that there hasn’t been an Horde characters in the story. The problem is, starting with the introduction of Garrosh as Warchief in Cata, the stories have been bad, one note, and counter to the the story arcs before it.
The entirety of WC3 was a redemption arc for the Horde of WC1 and 2. Then Garrosh came in and took a huge dump all over that. Players didnt like back then and told Bliz so. They followed this up by killing off fan favorites like Voljin and Cairne. No one really takes there place after. They then rehash the same story arc with Sylvanas and assassinating her character at the same time.
So all the prominent Horde charaters are dead, have been MIA not doing anything, or running around simping for the Aillace for several expansions.
Thats the problem.
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You might be able to pass Sylvanas off as Horde in BFA, in SL she was as much Horde as Gul’dan would be in the current Horde.
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That is definitely an example of Alliance going all moral.
We are not talking about innocent people, wrongfully imprisoned due to their race or religion; we are talking about a foreign force that invaded our World, murdered our people and stole out homes.
Sorry, but for what the Orcs did, they should have been put to the sword.
But no, the Alliance decided to keep them alive, on their own people’s dime, because they were too goody-two-shoes to exterminate them like the monsters they had acted.
Because when the Horde gets storylines, the community goes bonkers and complains until those characters are written into the ground. Cases in point: Thrall being nerfed into a mere warrior because “honor” is suddenly a thing with the elements; Sylvanus and her entire character arc/writing disaster.
If any Horde character starts getting too much attention, the playerbase riots and complains until they’re written into oblivion and the focus returns to neutrality or Alliance storylines.
The Alliance playerbase complains, sure.
Blizzard needs to tell the Alliance playerbase to deal with it.
It’s also why they need a Horde story team, that doesn’t need to give a damn what Alliance players think.
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