Feeling low DPS

Classes Warrior
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So I’ve gotten into a weird spot with Midnight. I’ve been raiding since week 1, gotten to 264 (Little behind because I can’t get a good boot drop) but I have a crafted weapon, have BiS neck, 4PC all at Champ/Hero, a good Trinket at hero and a decent one at Champ.

My off-hand isn’t great but it’s statted the same as the BiS. I’m just feeling like I’m not pulling weight, averaging ST DPS around 46-50k on target dummy. Am I doing something wrong with my rotation? Missing something important? I’m not capping rage, I’m hitting my Sudden Deaths, keeping Reck up as much as possible.

Any tips would be appreciated.

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Won’t be able to tell unless you have a log of some sort for us to analyze.

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character/id/59781800 I mean this is just the character in general. I keep forgetting to log in general, half the time, but I just feel even some of my normal kills are low.

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From the logs that you’ve got, no shade but there’s a couple reasons why they’re quite low compared to other warriors on the same fight.

Let’s look at your most recent Vaelgor and Ezzorak kill dated April 1st which I found by looking up your char on WCL.

Couple things that stand out to me.
Your Odyn’s Fury more often than not only hits the dragon you’re targeting rather than both when you use it so you’re losing damage. Taking a single step back from max melee range on whatever dragon you’re targeting almost always ensures both Dragons are always hit with every single OF cast doubling it’s boss damage contribution in this fight.
You’re using a poor judgement set on what abilities you use for void orb spawns, so many of them you don’t even have an Odyn’s Fury available to use on them. So not only are you not capitalising on hitting both Dragons with OF you’re also not using it for what it does best in AoE burst.
You hit Raging Blow too much and hit Bloodthirst too little by comparison to other higher ranked Fury Slayer Warriors on this fight.

It’s really a back to basics as to what you need to focus on for improvement.

I also had a look at your Lighblinded Vanguard kill dated April 2nd and I want to warn you the following will be blunt but fair. Note: I know you died twice on this fight however there were some glaring problems outside of that.
In the nicest way possible, what goes through your mind when you’re playing a fight where you’ve always got 2-3 targets and you consistently go 6-7 and at one point you go 17 abilities total between WW casts? That was 13 abilities in a row that did not hit an additional target on this fight.
You wasted 20s of not hitting a secondary target due to this.

I really believe you need to get back to the basics and I mean it. For a starting point please go to the following and refresh yourself on the ability priority.
https://www.wowhead.com/guide/classes/warrior/fury/rotation-cooldowns-pve-dps

From there I would like you to simplify this in the most basic way possible your new mantra for Fury will become a 3 stage metronome of BT - X - X.
When you’re in AoE situations your Mantra will be WW - X - X - X. Now this isn’t the definitive end all be all but it will get you into a much better pattern of recognising which abilities to use in priority and when. Obviously there will be situations where you adjust but you’ll learn those situational min/max moments as you go.

If you don’t already I would suggest setting up your CDM a little better, an addon called Sensei Class Resource Bars has a really good way to fit in your Health, Rage bar and Improved Whirlwind Stacks as Bars that can fit and be attached just below your Essential cooldowns row, you can even have it sync it’s width to it so it easily adjusts based on your talent set-up and how you have it set-up for each build.

From there, If you want to learn CD timings on how people actually played the fight you can look at the following site. https://lorrgs.io from there just press H or M pending the fight you’re to be doing and then you can easily see when and where people use their potions, cooldowns and if they save them if at all for a specific moment in a fight example I can look at M or H Dragons and I can see that most Warriors will optimally use OF on pull, and then every add set thereafter with a use of it available during the intermission phases on H and first intermission on M and after that point it’s only used on Add sets.

I hope this is somewhat helpful and points you in the right direction, you’ve got a lot to improve upon but if you really want to improve you’ll be able to do so with some effort.

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I know I suck at keeping my WW stacks up, it’s a bad habit that I just get too focused in on the rotation that I know the most, and WW just falls to the side because it’s not something I’m SUPER used to as using as filler, compared to just going with BT/RB and into Rampage.

As for Dragons, sometimes it just doesn’t line up for the little adds, but even then I suppose I should’ve mentioned my ST damage is what I’m more concerned about, not as much with cleave nor MT in a raid. Could I be better at keeping my CDs for specific times? Yeah, and I do on Dreamrift(Even if my parse is also bad, which makes little to no sense either given better OF/BS usage during adds)

I appreciate your advice, but I do know my basics, I’ve played Fury since Legion, and Warrior since MoP(Arms, Glad). I’m just looking for why my damage in general feels lower than it had in TWW for being around the same iLvL in the season.

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Look, you can either take quality feedback onboard and actually improve or you can reject it, keep doing what you’re doing waiting for someone to come comfort you saying you’ve done nothing wrong and it’s all Blizzard’s fault which would be lying to you and not helping you in anyway at all.

Even comparing your Chimmy log to higher ranked fury warriors with long kill times on the same difficulty you have an extremely different (in a bad way) CPM (Casts per minute) to those players for each ability. When you’re doing half of what others are doing in very similar gearsets this just further proves that the basics are what you do need to get back to.

This may be a bruise to your ego as I understand you may have played Warrior for a long time but don’t delude yourself into thinking you’ll never have anything to learn from those who’ve played the same/longer and at a much higher level. To me it looks like you got used to a set bonus that played the game for you due to how far it oversimplified Fury to an awful degree during Manaforge Omega TWW’s S3. You need to readjust your muscle memory to the new way that fury plays.

Happy to provide further insight if you’re genuinely receptive of it, but I’m also happy to leave it with this if you don’t want to hear anymore.

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Hello Greìl,

I came across this post by chance and create an US account specialy to talk with you, without wanting to interrupt Brrazze’s discussion, I’m experiencing the same issue. I believe my rotation is correct and my gear isn’t bad, although it still needs some improvements. I’d really like to understand what I’m doing wrong, and I’m open to any kind of feedback.

My Fury colleague performs better on the logs, and even though we’ve discussed our rotations, we can’t seem to figure out where the difference comes from. Here are the logs (my character is Warlooks) :

https://fr.warcraftlogs.com/reports/JcwYvQDxtRN29pH8

I’d say the first three bosses in Void Spire are the most relevant, but feel free to check the others if you want. Thanks in advance if you take the time to look into it.

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Is the new way Fury plays not just putting more emphasis into Rampage than it did before? I know that TWW S3 gave us more Reap the Storm procs and made it disgusting in multitarget for that reason but I don’t feel like the gameplay loop changed so much.

However I did go looking and realized I was putting a bit too much into Raging Blow, which is a biproduct of previous patches where it would increase Rampage damage based on stacks.

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Somewhat yes, Rampage does have a little more importance in the rotation due to how it’s attached to our Apex while also having a lower rage cost during Recklessness. Which of course means you want to hit it as much as possible during your recklessness windows but your generators BT/Execute/Thunderblast also hit pretty hard so you don’t really want to leave BT off cooldown for too long, you don’t want to be wasting and overcapping on sudden death or thunderblast procs and then you add in our tier set bonus where rampages CDR your Odyn’s Fury that’s also an ability you want to almost rip entirely on cooldown outside of having to save it for specific add spawn events in an encounter think Dragons, Salhadar on Mythic, First boss of Algethar etc.

Yo idm helping out an EU lad, but be warned you’re being helped by an Aussie Serb so hope you’re ok with someone being blunt and to the point.
Happy to give my own thoughts looking at those logs you’ve linked and yes some fights you are making similar mistakes to the OP in not using your procs properly, losing out on Odyn’s Fury casts from holding onto it when you shouldn’t and having a little less BT casts over your co-war pending the fight however this wasn’t always the case and you still did less which made me look in a touch further.

I did notice one thing in your set-up and consumables, you’re using the Puzzlebox.
No shade at all I hate that trinket like nobody’s business but I also then looked at your damage in bloodlust on openers which is a fair bit lower on most fights which is kinda weird since you would expect similarly geared Warriors with similar stats to do similar damage outside of events where one got a higher crit RNG roll than the other which can happen and it’s w/e sometimes you’re lucky sometimes your co-war is lucky.
But anyway to the point, looks to me like you’re trolling yourself pairing up your puzzlebox with a potion of recklessness I can explain it a little further.

You’ve just added not only +751 mastery to your already current 979 mastery on your gear you’re also adding an additional 1584 (R1) or 1752 (R2) of your highest secondary stat when you pot meaning you’re well overshooting the DR for Mastery which is set at 1380 rating and above which you’re well overshooting it assuming you potion of Recklessness post Puzzlebox you’re sitting at 3482 mastery rating which might be a couple of DR caps over the base? Since as far as my knowledge of how it works for mastery you’re definitely hitting multiple layers of DR as 1380 is considered “30%” for argument sake, and then the next DRs pop up at 39%, 47%, 54% and so on. Which would be hurting you a bit more than if you opted for Light’s Potential instead which provides primary stat which does not DR in the same fashion while yes you would still hit DR #1 at which would put your 320 mastery rating at 10% less effectiveness leaving you at 1668 mastery rambling math to explain it 1380-1700=320, and then we’ve got the bracket of 30-39 being 414 points (1380/30 = 46 then 469= 414 points @90% effectiveness so you wouldn’t be hitting the next DR as 3200.9=288, then we go 1380+288 to get back to 1668. Which leads me to believe that maybe you might find a better throughput utilising Light’s Potential over Recklessness especially moreso in your case.

TLDR: You’re hitting DR for mastery by a lot, Puzzlebox kinda cringe get rid of it asap and change to a better second trinket even going back to a Crucible at 263 might be better if you haven’t sold it off yet. Fury also isn’t really a burst spec either so passive consistent trinkets will fare better more often than not, but try switching out the potion and see if you get the gain otherwise I’d focus on the elements you can control in tightening up your rotation.

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Don’t use Potion of Recklessness regardless. It ranges from a couple hundred dps better to several thousand worse if your stats are not kept perfectly balanced at all times. It also invalidates your weekly Vantus Rune during the most important parts of your damaging phases.

It will also skew your sim results and cause them to constantly flip gear choices, which is why I changed the sim default to Light’s Potential awhile back.

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Thank you very much for taking the time to go through the logs and discuss them. I really didn’t understand where the issue was coming from (aside from my rotation, where I do mess up my procs sometimes). I also really dislike that trinket, especially since it goes against the flow of our class with a two-second cast time. I’ll see if I can find something else quickly.

Thanks to you, Archimtiros, for the advice, it almost makes me want to come play on US lol !

If you have any other informations or advice, i’m willing to take them, after this raid i was so frustrated to not knowing why i had this dps, i wanted to rerol, thanks again mates !

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There’s a large Discord community for this sort of thing, with help channels and links to many guides and resources, regardless of what region you play in. Much easier than trying to seek help on the forums.