Feel like Shadowlands class changes will be the casuals bane

During MoP players said “Ghostcrawler we have too many abilities they bloat our class please fix this”

So he did

Beginning of WoD everyone hated the pruning, one of WoDs downfall

Coming legion it was again similar but with the artifact traits filled that void

So did BfA with heart of azerite spells, but pruning was shown

Look at this thread

Some people didn’t mind the prune, said abilities were bloating the class

Now it’s reversed

Would Shadowlands be the downfall for casuals?

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That or it would make people start using their brain again.

#givemestances

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More abilities is fine as long as they don’t bloat us with passives that come from sources outside our characters. Managing that is what creates a problem.

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No.

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Like I said I remembered when people asked for some abilities to be removed, then complain it made the game worse

That’s normal not everyone has the same opinion.

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most of the abilities they returned were flavor abilities. ur not going to get dropped from ur raid group because u dont have eyes of the beast or sense undead keybound

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There is literally zero things that every WoW player agrees on. Some people like Pet Battle Dungeons. That’s okay.

Also, please no warrior stances. Do not miss those.

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I’m pretty darned casual and I’m liking most of what I see in the changes. It doesn’t look like my rotation is changing much, but the class as a whole is getting more versatile which is actually perfect for someone who dabbles in a cross-section of the game’s activities.

Kill shot is cosmetic?

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Im pretty casual and I’m looking forward to this stuff coming back.

Yeah, I’m one of them, basically. Can’t handle any more abilities, core or otherwise.

As you get older, you appreciate more and more cutting away the chaff and just focusing on what’s important.

I want to be immersed in the game world, not JUST watching power bars and buttons.

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The game has many different players, Some will love the returning abilities, some will hate it and complain.

That is just the reality of fanbases, you can’t make everyone happy. You also can’t get reliable feedback because an upset person is far less likely to give feedback than a happy one.

You vastly underestimate casuals. Also, they aren’t even adding any difficult abilities in.

level the class again and you’ll get a feel for it

there’s not that much more to keep track of, I don’t expect most dps warriors to carry around a shield for on demand shield blocking

Then there’s DH who are getting a single new ability, it’s passive and it doesn’t change their rotation at all; if anything it makes it even more forgiving.
Meanwhile Druids and Shamans are getting 5 or 6 new active abilities to manage, each. Both classes known for having to deal with ability bloat already.
That’s not even the worst part, worst part is that snowflake class performs better than most others in almost every type of content using the same exact build and rotation.
The problem is not complexity on it’s own, the problem is adding complexity while continuing to reward mediocrity.

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Thats my point though, along with trimming all the bloat and nonsense we lost a whole lot of character identity and then it just kept going until where we think a new class that has a 4 button rotation is great.

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How dare you?! It’s FIVE buttons. - Every DH ever.

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As a casual… These changes are amazing.

#not_my_casual

Do you know how hard it is to be the best at everything? Now you want me to do TWO THINGS!?!

#insertbender

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