You got proof of this or is this just “my guild was really unlucky with PL but now we are super lucky with GL”
Cause they literally have rarer items with the current raid. My hunter got the ignite fire damage ring from the weekly quest and my only fire damage is opting into explosive shot.
This has nothing to do with either loot system
Yes, it’s in the math.
for the rest of this example, I’ll use a 20 player raid, everybody’s unsaved.
The way PL worked, is that is that it picked 4 player to get loot, then randomly chose an item to give them.
Let’s make the numbers easy, and say that this boss drops a ring, and 3 other items for each loot spec, and for comp I’ll use Echo’s WF Razageth comp (1 or 2 of every class) assuming everyone’s loot spec is for the one they are playing.
In order for the bow to drop for the 1 hunter, the game needs to decide 1st that the 1 hunter gets loot, then the 1/4 roll for which item has to roll the bow, giving the bow an expected drop rate of 1/80 (1/4*1/20), or 1.25%.
For a caster staff to drop, 8 people can loot it. This puts the expected drop rate at 8/80 = 1/10, or 10%.
For the ring to drop, the 1st roll doesn’t matter. Everybody can loot and equip every ring. And since no matter who the 1st 1/20 roll decides gets loot, the odds of seeing the ring are just about 20/80=1/4, or 25%.
The fact that PL chooses the person 1st guarantees that some items will drop a lot more than others, as their drop rate is directly proportional to how many people in the raid can use it.
Had to work for a bit. Has OP figured out how GL actually works and how PL actually worked instead of making random claims yet?
my argument was literally personal loot NO TRADE RESRTICTIONS.
How many times do I have to scream it in your ear before you understand what I am trying to say???
I did a lot of fated LFR and yes, yes they did.
Outside of trading they are correct. Don’t strawman them…unless you actually didn’t understand what they meant. (Although it’s possible I didn’t either, of course, but this is how I saw it.)
Almost every single comment has been a strawman here.
They refuse to understand that personal loot no restrictions is exactly like current group loot except there’s no chance of useless drops.
Someone tried to argue that their guild had bad luck but that doesn’t make any sense with group or personal. If your guild has really bad rng it’s just rng.
There is a very high chance of useless drops.
The post you are purposefully ignoring explains why.
Useless drops means bows in a raid with no hunters.
Warglaives in a raid with no demon hunters.
You don’t know what I’m talking about so you really shouldn’t be replying to my comment.
It’s not just my guild. You can look at any boss in SL that dropped a ring, necklace or cape on the wowhead page to see if others have this issue.
For example:
The Nine: https://www.wowhead.com/npc=175726/skyja
Painsmith: https://www.wowhead.com/npc=176523/painsmith-raznal
Sylvanas: https://www.wowhead.com/npc=175732/sylvanas-windrunner
Look at how many rings each of them dropped compared to any other item.
The ring is the top item by at least 2-3x.
No one does because you don’t even know how PL worked.
Your comment has nothing to do with bows dropping in a raid with no hunters you sound really desperate to try and justify group loot even though personal loot no trade restrictions gives you the same outcome.
What’s the difference between a bow dropping for a raid with no hunters and a bow dropping for the single hunter in the raid who doesn’t need it?
But it does have to do with you getting more rings than your raid can possibly equip.
The difference is the bow actually dropped for someone who could equip you donkey.
Why? In both scenarios the bow ends up being DE’d or vendored.
In either of their scenarios, it’s an item that’s not going to be used by anyone.
I’m talking about pugs and LFR you are cherry picking stats that don’t even apply to my argument to justify something THAT YOU COULD ALSO GET WITH PERSONAL LOOT NO TRADE RESTRICTIONS.
Your scenario involves someone already having the bow or something better.
That is much better than group loot with 3 bows dropping with no hunters in raid.
PL with no trade restrictions never existed, so kind of a moot point, no?
It’s time for it to exist. That is the weakest strawman in this entire thread.