No, its a fact.
You dont even know the basics of frost.
It wouldnt. Its already been explained to you by someone else that you ignored.
Then stop putting your bad opinions out there.
You will keep being disappointed if you just dismiss peopleâs opinions as bad.
You must accept there are many players who enjoy 2H Obliterate focused gameplay. You canât deny them their enjoyment just because you 100% think it is bad design choice.
It is a matter of what majority wants and you wonât achieve anything by bashing every person who says they enjoy playing the game in a certain way.
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It literally isnât dude. Literally isnât.
âan estimation of the quality or worth of someone or something.â definition of opinion from Oxford
I know enough to play it in pvp and in M+ in prior tiers.
Have you looked in the mirror lately?
What?
No I dont because its not true. Even the people on these forums dont like it. People like you are the minority.
And you cant deny my enjoyment because the majority knows its bad for game game.
So thats why representation has dropped? Because the majority wanted this garbage heap that you call good spec design?
Literally is.
Congrats, you can read the brochure. Doesnt mean you know the basics of frost.
Oh boo hoo someone said my ideas are bad and wouldnt work. Your ideas are bad for the game.
Bro you are just crazy. You have no semblance of reality maybe you should take a break from wow and the forums. You clearly got no clue about much of anything especially in terms of numbers on what people like and donât. Nor about much else honestly.
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Go to DK discord and start talking with people and you will see how wrong you are real quick.
I was right about you. You just like contradicting people.
Keep being a nuisance on the forums.
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Lol, its always the unhinged people that come after me. Never fails. Have fun with the ignore Mr. Toxic.
I will guarantee they dont like hitting Obliterate over and over and over again.
I like contradicting people trying to push things that are false.
So long as you keep being wrong.
Iâve skipped the back and forth since itâs clearly irrelevant but KM should not be added as a stack trigger for Reapers Mark. Adding it to Reapers Mark is effectively the same as saying âPressing Obliterate adds 4 stacksâ, which means Reapers Mark needs to be nerfed to not be overblown by Obliterate.
If youâre so hyper focused on Obliterate that you want it to do more I donât know what to tell you. It already does too much and, if anything, needs a large nerf/pull back on what it does.
idk whats going on at all, but i will say that the majority of frost players in dk cord believe that oblit is a very overloaded button rn. but thats usually due to resources bloat , dnd, and that weird variance if its not frost damage then it does 0 damage. its clear that the oblit build has to much oblit but they already noted the majority of the problems in the dk blue post.
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So the âforum trollâ as everyone calls me was right. Kind of defeats being called a troll.
I agree with your point of making it grant stacks possibly overpowered but even if obliterate is nerfed it would still be one of the core mechanics of the class and i feel like a button we will press a lot should contribute to the main selling point of the Hero Talent Tree that is Reaperâs Mark.
Maybe toning it down so that Shadowfrost damage crits add only 2 stacks could work out. Again I get that Obliterate should not be the only button we press but it should still remain as part of the main rotation to deal damage.
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It will be part of the main rotation. It will give stacks as well so long as its frost damage, this is just âi want to be OP and not press anything but Obliterate!â type of an argument and its not good for gameplay.
People arent walking away from frost because its dps output or damage is bad, so it has to do with gameplay. People dont like it, and just putting all of your eggs into one basket that is Obliterate is just bad.
Finally a reasonable comment by you. I get your point on pressing Obliterate a lot no need to prolong that debate here.
But I want you to consider the thematic aspect of Obliterate dealing Shadowfrost damage.
Shadowfrost damage strongly associates with âDeathâ in Warcraft and it would be fricking COOL if our damaging abilities deal Death damage on special procs like Killing Machine.
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no⌠just⌠just no.
Itâs a button that will always be pressed regardless of the state of the spec so no, I disagree, and thatâs before factoring it that KM already contributes a stack for Reaperâs Mark and that Obliterate triggers Exterminate.
Okay so now youâre nerfing Hero talents to put more power into KM/Obliterate when it already doesnât need any.
Thatâs what they already did with the spec - keeping Frost Strike & Howling Blast weaker - so that more could be put into KM/Obliterate. Itâs entirely the wrong move.
Obliterate has always been a large part of the rotational damage, even before Frostreaper. The only changes Frost should receive for Obliterate going into TWW is heavily nerfing KM damage and its over emphasis in the kit. Obliterate & KM should not:
- Have a 45% chance to refund a rune
- Have a 90% minimum chance to trigger Icecap
- Have a 15% chance to refund 2 runes (if talented)
- Ramp Pillar strength
- Ramp Remorseless Winter strength
- Cleave at 100% effectiveness with the existing KM
If after addressing all of that then the button feels âweakâ then sure, an argument could be made to put power into it through other methods, but it already does way, way to much for a 4 button spec.
Yes, itâd be cool. No, itâd be horrible for design and shouldnât happen anytime soon.
9/10 Obliterates are already KMs and you get at least 100/5mintes or 20 every minute. So making KM Shadowdamage would change from adding 4 stacks to 16. That means you have to nerf Binding in Darkness purely because people want Obliterate to âdo moreâ when it already does almost everything within the kit.
Something I havent heard anyone talk about, or even tested. Does DW KM Obliterates and DW Frost Strikes contribute 2 stacks to Reaperâs Mark because its technically 2 sources of damage. If that turned to shadowfrost and it worked how you would expect, that would be 4 stacks and then 2h players would be complaining that they get half the stacks.
I actually love playing Frost this way so your argument kind of misses me here. But I would be more than happy to see some of these features removed so it deals Shadowfrost damage simply because it fits the theme perfectly.
Call me an RPer or whatever as much as you want but I love the idea of playing as an undead juggernaut hitting fewer but devastating Obliterate crits with a big sword before dispatching them with a massive Reaperâs Mark explosion.
This is my ideal vision for what a âDeathbringerâ should be.
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I wouldnât mind getting fewer stacks, procs, DoTs of any kind if it means I hit big Obliterate crits with a 2H.
So DW stacking Reaperâs Mark faster with two instances of damage on Obliterate could be a valuable suggestion to compensate the damage difference.
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Enjoy it while it lasts then because itâs getting gutted in TWW along with perma-Breath.
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