I mean, layering 50 passive abilities on a single ability is more of a problem than an extra button 
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I am expecting these hero talents to come in on a reworked hunter class.
Personally i am not a fan of another maintance buff like black arrow when we have so many press on cooldown keys.
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Iād love a reworked hunter class tree and a reworked MM but until itās mentioned I donāt know if itās safe to bank on that.
They could even rework hunters during DF. Theyāve reworked all classes but monk and hunter. Thatās 11 classes in 15 months. Donāt see why they wouldnāt work on the last 2 classes in the remaining 5-6 months
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They wont, heres why.
Blizzard HATES hunters. We had one cool bow, it was a rare drop. It got nerfed so hard, that I stopped caring about it.
Every single adjustment to Hunters this expansion was an attempt to balance an inherently flawed and dull class. Not one real attempt to fix this class.
Then again.
Hunter really stopped being a blast after Vanilla. The CD window made MM hunters INSANE and fun. But, other classes cried about it. The PvPers whined about MM hunters being able to ONE shot players (except Bear Druids) down in Alterac Valley. And, thus the great NERF of pre Burning Crusade happened.
Every expansion I play a Hunter, in the false, forlorn, stupid hope that Blizzard will actually do something FUN with hunters. Maybe give us a glimpse of the Glory of yester-expansion. Every single expansion, I eventually give up hope and level my alts. Because, if anything is true. Itās that Paladins and Shamans will ALWAYS get attention. So, at least I can play one of those two.
Every Expansion I quit for a few months or a year. But, like a complete fool, I return. Like a person returning to an abusive ex. Maybe this time will be different.
I guarantee one thing, Hunter will still SUCK next expansion.
Why.
Because, WoW, WoW never changes.
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To be fair, the Raz bow thing was a less a nerf and more of a āhow did they let it go live in that state in the fist place?ā, situation.
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when did they sneak in a warrior and DK rework when I wasnt looking?
pretty sure thereās been hunters in 3 out of 4 of the last raid tiers for RWF, no?
DKs had a rework when they reshuffled their damage, changed the 20% haste CD to 20% damage increase, made coils etc. much stronger, moved burst damage into sustain, changed the way army of the dead works, etcā¦ Frost also had maybe 2 reworks, a lot of talents were streamlined or made accessible (2x1h vs 2handler stuff, etc).
Warriors also had a rework, not sure which patch it was, but I think the patch when they added the new PVP talents, because I remember the big warrior patch notes + the new PVP talents in the same release.
I donāt play neither DK, nor warrior, but Iām ācountingā reworks and only monk and hunter are left.
Dark Ranger feedback thread btw 
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First or second Blizzcon. Q&A panel. Someone asks one of the developers what were their biggest regrets about the game.
Iām paraphrasing, but his answer was āUsing existing lore, and Hunters.ā
The crowd laughs, thinking itās a joke at Huntersā expense. Instead, he clarifies by saying using existing lore means they have to abandon great ideas because they canāt find a way to make it work with the lore. And they regret Hunters because every class falls into a group - Tanks, Healers, Melee DPS, and Casters; but Hunters stand alone as the only physical ranged class. It means they can balance groups, but then have to make Hunters fit somewhere in the middle.
Of course, things have changed a bit since then, but those sentiments seem to continue. Hunter balance and tuning often seems to be an afterthought. Even the tuning that happens tomorrow shows this. Most of the changes are targetted to specific abilities. MM and SV Hunters just get a 3% aura buff. They canāt even be bothered to look into what abilities needed a buff.
All the relevant feedback was in the first fifty posts. I highly doubt theyāll even read that far.
Fair enough, on topic:
Dark ranger black-arrow-DoT maintain and shot-reset mechanic are dull and not exciting, please revisit
I hope that feedback goes through.
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if you consider these a rework then BM and SV and MM all got reworks in DF lol.
just this last patch BM got a brand new cooldown and a new way to funnel DPS.
Kinda sad that we are only going to feel like a DR only 50% of the time, wish the cd of black arrow was lower or the duration longer
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Black arrow? I love that.
I love Dark Chains.
Shadow Surge is a dead talent in PVP / ST ? Because we wont take MS?
What I dislike is Withering Fire and the Dark Hounds. I donāt play Hunter for a Dark class fantasy. Iām far more into the nature, beast side of things.
And the last thing Hunter needs is more random firing off Arrows. MM Hunter is going to end up being tuned around dozens of small ticks of damage, when it should be tuned around large Aimed Shots.
It was a cyclical filler in Legionā¦ and stopped being a filler at all in BfA.
Occasionally granting a charge =/= gives infinite spammability.
???
There were tuning adjustments and they renamed some Warrior talents to be less Shadowlands-y. Surely that counts?
To be fair, as often as not, the ratios of damage (skillsā relative balance) were fine while the issue was just not doing enough of it.
ā¦That hasnāt been the case for this latest MM buff, but againā¦ at least half the time an aura buff has been a quick and reasonable fix to performance issues and Iād rather not have those delayed for some future rehaul likely to have yet more unforeseen and worsening consequences.
Aye, BM has already had two reworks of the magnitude of UHDK (both focused on the bottom-right corner / AotW ā Savagery), and MM one such rework (centered on WSG). Of the three, only one has been considered even a modest success, though. /shrug
Filler that gets promoted to because the OTHER abilities disappeared is still filler. It makes the filler more necessary as an extra hand but as far as being entrusted power and responsibility, thatās overreaching. Thankfully that *lasted until Shadowlands.
I agree, BUT thatās not what I said. I never said it was infinitely spammable, since(news flash jingle) it still has a Focus cost. I was highlighting the underwhelming value DKR brings from its mockup(and let us hope it wonāt even survive final if not beta).
āChargelessā literally means that on the tin: no charges. Not something spammable, no, but not necessarily something cooking on the rangetop. Itād be looking like a pre-BFA AShot tooltip in-game. Something so basic, so simple.
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Yeah I can fully see those two getting a rework in the upcoming patches
this btw, its hard to get useful feedback on the forums because it already derails or people just suggest things that are broken or dumb. not to mention the fantasy andys
wen can we expect the uther trees?
Check the paladin forum.
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