My favorite iteration of hunter was Venthyr BM during shadow lands. Loved Flayed shot and Razor frags.
Hope Dark Ranger plays something like that.
Then it has better potential to be fān amazeballs frankly.
Black Arrow, another button on an already bloated quick bar. By all means go Dark Ranger, but instead of yet another CD to manage. How about infusing death and shadow magic into already existing MM/BM abilities.
Dark Chains, is underwhelming and seems like it should be a PVP talent and not a Hero Talent.
All in all it leans heavy into shadow damage, make it convert ALL magic and physical damage to shadow. Make it worth it. Otherwise, just rework hunters all together. I love the class, but it is dull and uninspired.
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Mitosis, people. The Hunter class mitoses into a āRangerā class that has MM and SV(the basis of a 2-spec class) and a āBeastmasterā class that has up to 3 DPS specs, perhaps fashioned after the pet specs.
In other words, Hunter is the mother cell and Beastmaster and Ranger are the daughter cells.
Seek help.
Mother Cell, Daughter Cell. Just rip the whole class apart and try again. While it can do good damage. It is dull. WoW is a game, and therefor should be fun above all else.
People will screech about endgame, or meta builds, or PVP.
If youāre not having fun, why do it.
Theres a reason Iāve sunk so many hours into BG3, Stellaris, Mass Effect trilogy, The Witcher 3, and Zelda BoTW. Cause they are FUN!
Bring back fun to Hunters.
Hunters were fun in vanilla. It was a struggle to feed my pet, pay for ammo and get good gear. Back when pets would eventually leave you if you didnāt feed them. Back when AMMO was an actual thing. Back when Hunters had an insane DPS window.
Now its dull, uninspired and quiet frankly, the worst version of itself.
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Seek a remedial adult high school education, because that goes back at least to high school level biology. It would best explain other areas of ignorance.
I said mitosis for a reason. Youāre not really ripping the class apart, well, except when one cell gets so fat and juicy it rips into two. However, itās not really supposed to be an infinitely looping thing, unless Blizzard REALLY REALLY wants to keep super-specializing the core three specs. Edit: A La Pathe de Exile Mode.
At this moment I am playing my new SoD Hunter lol. I wonāt really stay for SoD, but itās nice to learn the French vanilla version.
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Itās not a failure to understand the metaphor that makes one wonder why you need to guise nonsensical spam under random metaphors.
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I know what mitosis is, itās the only explanation for there apparently being 2x jackals in the one forum.
The issue is your delusions, not mitosis.
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I beg to differ because thereās no logical explanation for a refution. I consider it ānonsensical spamā to be a nonsensical contrarian.
Then āseek helpā is just a nonsensical and emotional ad hominem attempt at an established type. Thatās the issue: people like you who feel they have to constantly express disagreement but expect ready compliance to their views.
Assuming you mean, āI consider ānonsensical spamā to be a critique given only by a nonsensical contrarianā¦ā
- You have yet to provide a single non-contradictory reason why your āsolutionā (splitting Hunter into two classes) would actually, let alone uniquely, solve the issues you perceive with the class.
- You ignore the many other solutions by which those issues could be resolved.
- You ignore any costs of your proposed solution that would fall outside of your own subjective priorities/fixations.
- The only possible benefits of your high-cost āsolutionā (splitting Hunter into two classes) are less than what can be accomplished otherwise at lesser cost to both other playersā enjoyment and developer time.
- You ignore any and all logical refutations of your idea in favor of just saying the same thing louder or through different metaphors; youāve accordingly shown no intent to actually speak with others on the forums, only to speak at them, a quality of spam.
- You repeat those diatribes even in places with only the faintest connections, if any, to proposed benefits of your suggested approach or the issues itās meant to resolveāanother quality of spam.
Does that clarify my meaning?
When oneās type has established itself as being unwilling to partake in meaningful communication, that is about the only type of communication that can be worth its (or any) time. Yes, they ideally should have simply ignored, flagged, and/or blocked you instead, as ābeing forced to again realize thisā I will now.
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Put the thesaurus down!
Why would the devs bother to read feedback on DR when its just a bunch of people arguing about nonesense
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Theres plenty of feedback, the point is they wont read it, so who actually cares. Let people have fun flaming each other. Itās like watching people fight at Whitecastle at midnight.
- Itās never been tried before, and other measures have been exhausted.
- How do you know Iāve ignored them, or how my reactions are defined as ignoring them?
- Iāve considered some of them. The decision is whether those costs are worth or not worth the pursuit. I am convinced that the costs of maintaining the status quo are too high and all the higher.
- If we can agree to MAXIMIZE specsā potentials, then I would not balk at lesser-cost resolutions. But they have to be genuine and realistic, not idle coffeehouse chat.
- I certainly donāt repeat myself to the same people, and at that, not for long. And I can only respond to what I can understand on my end as well. It takes extraneous effort by others to get me to flag for spam this way.
- I canāt understand the connections for you or anyone else. I guess you might be right that any bombardment of information, commentary, advisory, or exposition that canāt be readily understood due to the individualās fault of experience and knowledge is āspamā.
It does, but youād find too, too few to adopt this model. You can say weāre all part of the same hypocrisyā¦
Thatās how you may interpret it, but I let the words of others stand on their own. The funny thing is that meaningful communication was NEVER a requirement to change a certain outcome. Seeā¦
If I say what works best for all is to mitose the Hunter class so that BMs win, SVs win, and MMs win in the theoretical win/win of dev attention, representation, role optimization, and all the other sultry jazz goodies of enjoying a class, itās not required for anyone to have a discussion about it. IF itās right, itās right: it doesnāt matter if thereās consensus from the community about it or not. Because the community doesnāt always know, even most therein, whatās right.
Mr. History is really my chief witness. Iām actually just letting history do the real talking and arguing, but I do take up a side. Iām on the side of NOT repeating the past 6+ years. Anyone who wants to take up the opposing side, especially to take a cut at me and others of the Jackalswind type, is free to do so inasmuch as I need not report it, but like I said, the words chosen will say everything.
āIām opposing Istolilly because I want to be a jerk to those who refuse to comply. I donāt care if heās 110% right in what he says,ā which might as well be NOT an argument, let alone a discussion, at all.
The flagging is malicious because thatās STEALING without cause from a service I pay for, but Iām cool with being ignored or blocked. If you try to snag a few bucks out of my wallet, Iām at the least going to be miffed.
When you have tools that catch on syntax and certain words, that helps a lot. I know they know how to filter out signal from noise.
Retail nowadays cannot ever have a never-pick-this-one-at-all choice. If nobody is going to play DKR because itās so bad because feedback did not serve a role in improving it, thereās no point in allocating that precious small indie company capital to do anything with it.
So the interest in DKR has to be dynamic enough to at least tinker with it. Otherwise, scrap it like Blizzard has scrapped and cut out a LOT of things.
I still have the same one I used in college in the last decade. LE GASP YES, believe it or not I actually USED one. Real talk lol.
Other measures have not been exhausted. They havenāt been attempted either. Largely because the issue youāve given as warrant hasnāt historically been a thing. BM has not, as youāve suggested, typically been oppressively overpowered relative to the other Hunter specs, let alone to the point that the other specs are left to pick up only its leftovers. Historically, MM been the dominant spec, SV its frequently competitive sibling (until WoD), and BM most often the red-headed stepchild.
Your ālong-standing oppression of MM/SV by being shackled to BMāā¦ literally does not exist. Nor would splitting them to a different class solve any issue of imbalance in performance or popularity. Itād just further reduce the value of bothering with whichever specs fare the worst.
Yet youāve consistently shown you do not even understand more than a seasonās length of that status quo, and only shallowly at that.
No, misinformation or conclusions therefrom given ceaselessly despite prior unaddressed (and far more complete) refutation in places that have nothing to do with itā¦ is spam.
Playing the victim of mass-conspiracy card just because the vast majority of people you present an idea to see its glaring flawsā¦ is not a sensible refutation.
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Just report the posts for trolling and put them on ignore so the feedback thread can at least be focused on the dark ranger tree and not whatever ramble old mate feels like going on
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The other specs donāt seem to pick up much of anything. When BM is on the slide where it concerns the meta, thatās almost nothing SV or MM can help to ensure Hunter gets in at all. Oppressively overpowered is a bit of a stretch, but if recent history(again, talking about the last 6 years) taught me anything, is that neither MM or SV can hold a level of power that puts BM out of the running.
Yes, I donāt dispute this though I know youāre talking about pre-Legion history.
Even based on the pre-Legion history, itās the same problem on the other foot. BMs would have asked for a divorce from MMā¦and yet, whatās funny is that they pretty much are their own class in all but in formality.
As I said more than once, when thereās more classes, thereās more attention to representation. It would even CHANGE the meta completely since you have TWO MELEE/RANGED MARTIAL DPS classes as opposed to just one, and more competition is better than less.
I donāt pretend to have predicted this happening 6 years ago, I hope you understand. I couldnāt just nitpick BFA S1 and say, āYeah, we need to split the Hunter class into two.ā
To really get down to it, especially since MM was completely reinvented a SECOND time, there was no telling whether the BFA-onward spec would be better or worse than the awesomo Legion itineration, and whether or not people will flock there to main it and go from there.
SV was far more controversial too, the āDollar Tree BMā. We only saw one time it was really bussinā good, though the current DF S3 seems quite good too.
So Iām criticized for not taking the only one CORRECT(in your definition) posture to these prior refutations.
This is literally saying, āHe needs to hard-charge his tune because he has been refuted.ā In all reality, nobody really has to do anything. I donāt mind if I had refuted something and someone acted in a manner inconsistent with accepting it. Thereās consequences for both: either one is bettered for it, or one is worsened for it.
āHe doesnāt need to think about it because weāre all telling him WHAT to think. Heād be smart if he followed through, but heās being not-smart for not following our simple directions.ā
You see how that antagonizes people? Iām a lot fairer than this. I never asked for allies or to enlist people, because asking for allies and enlisting people is not going to accomplish what I want.
It only takes one Blue, or enough Blues, to look at what I said, point me out among themselves, say, āThis guy actually gets it. Weāll expand upon his arguments,ā and go from there. No discussion, no argument, no feedback, but just pure sublimination of the good stuff. You never know whoās really lurkingā¦
Thatās not me playing the victim. Thatās me calling it out like it really is.
Itās not a conspiracy to believe that ad populum fallacies exist. As Iāve already highlighted, nothing is right or wrong because the vast majority say so unanimously. Ergo, 99.99% of the Hunter community who say my proposal is wrong can either be right or wrong in fact and truth. If itās the latter, thatās pretty darn sad that 99.99% of the class community got it wrong.
In other words, I suggest you employ alternatives to the democratic or majoritarian approach in your judgments. I had complimented and approved of your spec reworks, though. But to use that as an example, thatās āone person, one voteā and obviously I donāt and canāt represent and carry on the majority.
The TL;DR: the secret lurkers of Bluish importance are the real prizes of these discussions. Making the case that wins them over is FAAAAAR more important than gaining solidarity in the community, if one cares more about the state of the game itself than the people.
I myself am way more meritocratic than democratic.
replying to jackals is a waste of your time btw
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Even mentioning him will keep him active.
Dammit. Now Iām doing it.
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