what about the mw mastery? anything to compensate essence font being gone?
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Is there any chance weāre going to see these changes in game at some point soon so we can know what to expect otherwise?
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Iām not sure. The other talent that you would take if you do talent into RJW extends RJW duration and allows it to overlap but not stack. Since RJW has a 6 second CD and lasts 10 seconds with this talent that just means that if you use it on CD you can have 4 seconds of 2 RJW followed by 2 seconds of 1 RJW. I donāt think this is enough to make RJW terrible damage appealing especially because using it every 6 seconds would take up so many GCD that you would lose a ton of damage by it delaying much harder hitting abilities. It would have to actually stack and then obviously have a stack limit. Maybe they redesign it in that way and then I agree that really sucks cuz I also do not want to have to take such a boring maintenance ability.
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Yooo you guys are COOKINā
please make healing part of the celestial conduit 40 yards to keep in line with other healsā¦ or 30 at the least. Keeping the damage portion to 20 yards is fine.
Also, the current 10 yards on RJW is too small to make that talent worth wildā¦ up this too.
not a fan of the capstone talent
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So removed from the tree and baseline or removed as an ability entirely? Sounds like the latter.
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Can we get a clarification on what āAssistā means in the overall context of this tree with Unity Within?
My reading is Courage of the White Tiger, Strength of the Black Ox, Heart of the Jade Serpent, and Flight of the Red Crane are the 4 assists from the celestials and when Unity Within happens then those 4 talents activate at 200% effectiveness.
Is that the correct reading?
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That is most likely the correct reading. It does not affect the Invoke cooldowns.
I really like the tree, but please
Flight of the Red Crane : Refreshing Jade Wind (Mistweaver), Rushing Jade Wind (Windwalker), and Spinning Crane Kick have a chance to cause Chi-Ji to quickly rush to 5 targets, healing each target (Mistweaver) or dealing physical damage to each target struck (Windwalker).
Give this an internal cd so weāre not spamming RJW, itās such an unfun ability.
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Conduit of the Celestials Windwalker Monk Initial Feedback:
What I liked:
Xuen Interaction with Tiger Palm - This has been something weāve been asking for and Iām happy to see some implementation of it.
What I didnāt like:
Another Button on the pile - With WW already being at the maximum of buttons to keybind/track, adding another CD that is possibly desynced from all of our other CDs seems strange as an introduction. Is it possible this could be changed to just happen passive when we use our respective Celestial instead?
RJW interaction - RJW is one of the most despised abilities among the WW talent tree for good reason. The design of the ability for WW doesnāt make any sense in a spec that is GCD-locked (CD and duration are tied together and decrease with haste).
Yuālonās Knowledge has the potential to create an RJW build much to the dismay of many WW players who audibly groan when they hear its the correct choice. It definitely seems like the most ābuild definingā of the introduced hero talents on the Conduit of the Celestials tree.
Without seeing what other changes TWW is bringing to WW Monk, this is a head scratcher.
Jadefire Stomp Interaction - Following the theme, JFS is by far the most disliked ability for WW players and seeing a node that encourages us to use it more often is going to lead to headaches if the ability is unchanged (hopefully removed) for WW going forward. Currently, you only want to press JFS to refresh JFH (Jadefire Harmony). As a result, it doesnāt dominate large parts of your rotation currently. If August Dynasty introduces a need to press the ability far more often, youāre going to see this negative feedback about JFS pop up way more often.
Unity Within - Iām not really sure what the point of this capstone is? I believe I understand how it functions. When you use Celestial Conduit, it turns into Unity Within and allows you to press it for 4 seconds to summon the celestials, but why would you ever not want the Celestials immediately? If you press it late in the channel, do the summoned celestials have less duration?
Heart of the Jade Serpent - I find it odd that this isnāt tied to an ability cast or something. Itās entirely possible that you will often proc this at inopportune times and waste the value given from it. It also adds yet another thing you need to keep track of for WW.
Concerns of Scaling/Longevity - With a large chunk of the middle tree concerned with damage procs and there not being much damage allocated anywhere else on the tree, I donāt understand how this tree is going to keep up with the other option, Shado-Pan, in Single-Target situations.
What I need clarification on:
How does the extra duration for RJW from Yuālonās Knowledge scale with WWās RJW? Is it a flat duration added onto it? If so, does it retain the damage interval inherited from the hasted RJW?
How do overlaps from RJW function? Is it one buff with multiple stacks or individual buffs? Does each instance of RJW deal damage or does it just do one big hit based on how many stacks you have?
Is Celestial Conduitās channel hasted? If it is, in which way? Does it deal its damage more quickly or does it increase the number of ticks during the channel?
For WW specifically, do the Storm, Earth, and Fire Spirits cast Celestial Conduit? If they donāt, is the damage of Celestial Conduit increased while SEF is active?
What Iād like to see:
More interaction with the Celestials themselves! Maybe some permanent summons or something? Really lean into the bond between the Monk and the Celestials.
Perhaps make the Celestials that arenāt normally useful for WW better during the proc? Currently Niuzao and Chi-Ji are pretty lackluster for WW specifically.
Maybe we get some sort of buff while our Celestial is active Ala Invokerās Delight?
Overall, Iām concerned with the tree for WW as it seems to rely heavily on procs to get its damage in Single-Target situations. In AoE, it encourages a playstyle with RJW that many people loathe. And having an additional button to keybind/track just seems unfun in a kit that is already so bloated with buttons like this. However, I do think the theme is fun and could be improved in a way that is exciting.
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i like this tree this one is good. good job blizzard
Kinda disappointed you couldnāt become a celestial instead of just summoning one but I can live with this.
Also both Jadefire stomp and Sheilunās Gift are tied to this hero tree and while they are both commonly taken for fistweaving builds it leaves very few points left for other talents.
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I donāt think the dev for MW is the same dev for WW. I base this on the fact that MW actually gets communication and changes while WW remains forgotten.
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I love the idea of the Celestial spec but a big criticism I have of it compared to Shadowpan is it feels like it does nothing to address scaling issues unless the scaling is being put onto all the new pet summons.
Also while the rest of the spec SOUNDS very fun (even if it seems like scaling problems would exist number wise) Celestial Conduit sounds absolutely awful. This ability feels just completely out of place in the monk kit and has no reason to be a channel other than to prevent you doing other damage during it. I get that it probably hits hard and stopping other damage during it limits burst butā¦ it alone sounds like a reason why Iād never want to use the hero spec in practice, it just takes away all the pacing of monk to say āhere is a big long channel in the middle of a GCD locked specā.
On the August Dynasty talent in particular, are there any changes incoming for Jadefire Stomp? I love stomp personally (I was an avid user of Night Fae in shadowlands going against the grain even) but the ability could use some improvements to either have WW get the 20 sec cd of MW, changing the reset mechanic to go off hitting a debuffed target or just making it cost energy instead with no cd.
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I would agree with that. Clearly this whole tree was made with MW in mind and not WW.
Channeled spell - check
Summons - check
JFS interaction - Check
RJW - check
Does not exactly sounds like anything the WW community has been asking for.
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Looks interesting overall, but Iāll note that the only branch that a Castweaver would likely take has something which will not be usable in most arena matches (constant interrupts and CC ensure that Sheilunās Gift remains unused or even a liability, unfortunately.) I would make this to a timed ability or somehow tied to having used TFT 3-4 times rather than being dependent on SG.
I would also ask for Blizzard to review my list of Castweaver suggestions, particularly the one about removing Soothing Mist from the GCD, which would help us immensely in PvP and not (IMO) hurt PvE:
I donāt like that this tree forces MW into the fistweaving style to get the most out of it. I hate fistweaving and refuse to play it. Hereās hoping the MW/BrM hero talents are better for caster/hybrid MW. Otherwise it looks like Iām walking away from monk as my main, which is sad to say the least. Only thing I like about this hero tree is the theme.
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The Master of Harmony will 100% be oriented for caster Mistweavers. (it might get the Essence Font that leaves the talent tree lolololol)
This does not bode well. Leaves a bad feeling in my gut.
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Youāre not quite forced into a melee-only style, but since MW is counted as a melee, youāre going to be in melee range of the mobs, anyways. Refreshing Jade Wind and Celestial Conduit being shorter range also precludes you to being in melee range to effectively hit the raid.
You can still have a caster playstyle with this tree, though. Treat Courage of the White Tiger as a bonus if you donāt want to use a melee healing playstyle, but want to do damage.
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