I am fearful that the out of touch diablo developers will reach to WoW. They are the same company lead by the same CEO, etc....
How will blizzard prevent WoW developers from being out of touch with their game base? Dev's don't really communicate with the community, they admit they don't read the forums and they have a hard time fixing things the community complains about (or they fix it way way too late like legendary issues from Legion).
What evidence is there they will not turn into "you have phones" type of attitude?
Blizzard is out-of-touch from the top down. It isn’t just the Diablo team.
pretty sure it's too late for that lol
No need to waste energy worrying about something that will most likely never happen
11/05/2018 03:52 PMPosted by MingzWhat evidence is there they will not turn into "you have phones" type of attitude?
What type of evidence are you looking for? This seems like a really foolish question to be asking, if I'm honest about it.
What are they supposed to do? What even is your actual concern? You can suggest that Cheng was out of touch, but he and his team are working with a different product than the PC game -- so why would them being out of touch have any bearing on PC products?
11/05/2018 03:52 PMPosted by MingzI am fearful that the out of touch diablo developers will reach to WoW. They are the same company lead by the same CEO, etc....
How will blizzard prevent WoW developers from being out of touch with their game base? Dev's don't really communicate with the community, they admit they don't read the forums and they have a hard time fixing things the community complains about (or they fix it way way too late like legendary issues from Legion).
What evidence is there they will not turn into "you have phones" type of attitude?
LOOOOOOOOL as if the current devs aren’t out of touch??!!! Hilarious!
We decided they were out of touch 13 years ago.
Somehow, magically, the game has kept going.
Somehow, magically, the game has kept going.
why did it take you the diablo fiasco to figure out blizzard devs are on an entirely different planet?
So has Betty White.11/05/2018 04:26 PMPosted by SnowfoxWe decided they were out of touch 13 years ago.
Somehow, magically, the game has kept going.
11/05/2018 04:34 PMPosted by ZeropointtSo has Betty White.11/05/2018 04:26 PMPosted by SnowfoxWe decided they were out of touch 13 years ago.
Somehow, magically, the game has kept going.
I feel like there should be an angelic chorus going "Betty.... White.." every time her name is said.
11/05/2018 04:34 PMPosted by ZeropointtSo has Betty White.11/05/2018 04:26 PMPosted by SnowfoxWe decided they were out of touch 13 years ago.
Somehow, magically, the game has kept going.
Undeniable, rock-solid proof that Betty White secretly runs Blizzard!
11/05/2018 03:52 PMPosted by MingzI am fearful that the out of touch diablo developers will reach to WoW. They are the same company lead by the same CEO, etc....
How will blizzard prevent WoW developers from being out of touch with their game base? Dev's don't really communicate with the community, they admit they don't read the forums and they have a hard time fixing things the community complains about (or they fix it way way too late like legendary issues from Legion).
What evidence is there they will not turn into "you have phones" type of attitude?
Embrace your fear and accept that this seems to be the case on the surface. Only then can you move forward with purpose and a solid direction. :)
To late, that ship has sailed
11/05/2018 03:52 PMPosted by MingzI am fearful that the out of touch diablo developers will reach to WoW. They are the same company lead by the same CEO, etc....
How will blizzard prevent WoW developers from being out of touch with their game base? Dev's don't really communicate with the community, they admit they don't read the forums and they have a hard time fixing things the community complains about (or they fix it way way too late like legendary issues from Legion).
What evidence is there they will not turn into "you have phones" type of attitude?
Well considering the now CEO of the company said to a fan at blizzcon 2016 who inquired about servers surrounding previous expansions "You don't want that. You think you do but you don't" I would say there's cause to be worried. Did they acquiesce to the classic fans? Yes. You never should have discouraged a fan of your product however and outright told him what his opinion not only should be but that's he's outright wrong for wanting it.
Nevermind the fact they're somehow "surprised" at the backlash immortals got. How could they not foresee that reaction? Look at how Bethesda handled two mobile game launches recently in the form of Elderscrolls: Blades and Fallout: Shelter with the fact they immediately followed these announcements up with a teaser or an outright trailer for the main product the fans were there for.
What gets me is how they handled the fans and now how the media is handling people that dared disagree. The "do you not have phones comment" is the most tone deaf response you could have given and only added gasoline on a dumpster fire. To touch on the second half of what I said now the die-hard fans are now labeled "entitled" or "cry babies" or some other buzzword by an even more out of touch media is infuriating.
This all could have been avoided with a simple teaser trailer akin to elderscrolls 6. Just show some cinematic and cap it off with a fade in and fade out of "Diablo 4."
Pretty sure BFA was DoA. How exactly do you think the devs aren't out of touch? They barely put effort into this expansion and went "we'll fix it later" then they get Ion to go on stage to tell us "You deserve better".
Yeah we do deserve better, except that they don't mean that when they pull a release such as BFA. Laziness shows no matter how much apologising you do. The truth of the matter is they rushed a product, half assed it on purpose (to meet deadlines) and now they dare tell us "you deserve better".
Like maybe you should have thought of that before you released this garbage expac and delayed the lauch untill you did due dilligence.
Yeah we do deserve better, except that they don't mean that when they pull a release such as BFA. Laziness shows no matter how much apologising you do. The truth of the matter is they rushed a product, half assed it on purpose (to meet deadlines) and now they dare tell us "you deserve better".
Like maybe you should have thought of that before you released this garbage expac and delayed the lauch untill you did due dilligence.
11/05/2018 04:15 PMPosted by AmeghanNo need to waste energy worrying about something that will most likely never happen
Have you not been playing since wod?
...or have you stepped out of a time bubble?
If it's the latter, you may want to sit down, as there is a series of bad news regarding wow to tell you.
11/05/2018 04:26 PMPosted by SnowfoxWe decided they were out of touch 13 years ago.
This strawman.
Clearly, this is not true.
The level of discontent is much higher than it has been in previous years, to the point that the number of players dropped to the point that they actually reached the number of players from about 13 years ago, before they got so salty about that freefall from their boneheaded moves and stopped reporting them.
I'm sure some on this thread could even talk about the level of discontent reaching the point that they even unsubbed for a bit, even to the point of making an "I unsubbed thread."
The point is, that actiblizz can either continue to bury its head in the sand and pretend there isn't an issue here, or acknowledge there is a problem and it needs to be fixed. And before anyone says they don't know where to begin, or what the issues are, I would direct you to three releases worth of alpha, beta, and ptr feedback that had warned them about the very issues they faced with each release that wound up hitting them in the face anyway (and then pretending it was a huge surprise).
They can pretend that most of the feedback is "you guyz suxz, wow is dieeeeing!" But those types of complaints are the outliers, and there are far more thoughtful and well written threads (with cap extensions) with the fluff "we hear your feedback" that never actually get any real response.
One notable example: the diablow anniversary event, where people are still waiting for that response. But in the same time, more than one lounge thread got "blessed," and more than one inane thread of zero consequence got attention. The real issue never got a response.
11/05/2018 04:15 PMPosted by AmeghanNo need to waste energy worrying about something that will most likely never happen
11/05/2018 06:04 PMPosted by WanobiThe level of discontent is much higher than it has been in previous years
The problem is that's a completely subjective claim. We both know there's no objective data-driven way of actually showing that today is worse than say the start of Legion.
What we do know, is that these same arguments "blizz is greedy, wow is dying, they are out of touch, they r killing wow" have been used for more than 13 years. I heard it in classic over tier 0.5, heard it in wotlk over nerfing arthas, and on and on.
So yeah, I'm dismissive of it. I was dismissive of it 10 years ago.
11/05/2018 06:08 PMPosted by SnowfoxThe problem is that's a completely subjective claim. We both know there's no objective data-driven way of actually showing that today is worse than say the start of Legion.
You mean, the quarterly reports that have wow's metrics hidden behind two other games'?
"We" can pretend that doesn't mean anything, but really that only means one of us.
Also, it's not subjective, because you (intentionally, it seems) stopped reading from what you quoted from before you got to:
11/05/2018 06:04 PMPosted by Wanobito the point that the number of players dropped to the point that they actually reached the number of players from about 13 years ago, before they got so salty about that freefall from their boneheaded moves and stopped reporting them.
Then we get to the whole metric hiding shuffle.
If they had improved, they'd be rubbing it the faces of everyone who takes issue with the current direction of the game (something about "our vision is a success!"), because watcher's ego is the one constant we can bank on since wod.
11/05/2018 06:08 PMPosted by SnowfoxWhat we do know, is that these same arguments "blizz is greedy, wow is dying, they are out of touch, they r killing wow" have been used for more than 13 years. I heard it in classic over tier 0.5, heard it in wotlk over nerfing arthas, and on and on.
Anticipated and addressed this already. Twice, in fact.
11/05/2018 03:52 PMPosted by MingzI am fearful that the out of touch diablo developers will reach to WoW. They are the same company lead by the same CEO, etc....
How will blizzard prevent WoW developers from being out of touch with their game base? Dev's don't really communicate with the community, they admit they don't read the forums and they have a hard time fixing things the community complains about (or they fix it way way too late like legendary issues from Legion).
What evidence is there they will not turn into "you have phones" type of attitude?
I hate to write this, but its been like this for a while in WoW.