Hi guys!
Just got to 60 with my fdk and i would like to know if its bugged or working as intended, im playing 2h and i currently hit between 3 or 4k obliteration with KM (really hard to get withoud pillar of frost). Meanwhile, monks rising sun kick hit for the same or more, and i saw on details ret paladins hitting above 10k and hunter above 13k in pvp. Is it supposed to be like that or will it be fixed ?
Thanks!
Its not bugged.
No bug. Just weak…
At my item lvl I can barely keep up with most people with equal gear. I can at least out dmg a tank single target with all cd’s and good timing with procs single target…
I take it you are Necrolord? I went Necro at first to see about Emeni but seeing how its going to take a few weeks to get them, Kyrian gives a good boost to mastery, lines up with Pillar each time, and with Proliferation the duration and damage of Shackle is improved. It might be arcane damage, and the covenant ability might suck (havent even used it once to really know) but its suprisingly powerful early on. 20% mastery… I dont know how anyone could have turned that down. Though I know a lot of people didnt actually talk about soulbinds and went straight off of covenant class abilities.
OH my sub rogue can just casually crit somebody for 11-15k with a subsequent 12-16k ER.
My Obliterate crits for 4-7k. With pillar? 5-8k.
I’ve yet to acquire strength trinkets but I doubt it would make much of a difference. Maybe 6-9k?
Point is, Frost is weak right now.
It was a choice due to the mastery diminishing returns… that and my guild at the time had a notice to focus Ven and Nero for covenants, but then changed to “tbd” after thatwhere it was then too late to change… I know I can switch covenants, but I’m just going to ride this out. I’m not going through that when a good bit was already committed to Maldraxxus…
I will admit that that ability does seem to be nice (for now). I saw a lower item lvl geared frost dk in the same dungeon out dps me in aoe because of that ability. Can’t say the same for single target.
It does have a DR at 25%, but its not that much. And it allows you to get more of other secondaries after that. But you dont take that much of a hit. What it sounds like is it takes 10% more rating to get 1% increase. So instead of 20%, it would be like 18.2% which is still pretty good.
So instead of 17.5 rating for 1% mastery, it would then be 19.25 rating for 1% mastery. I havent reached that point to tell yet, but thats at least what it sounds like.
With your gear? Even after you take 30 seconds to hit max RI stacks via GA, I doubt you break 5k with both FC and PoF buffs.
I’m significantly more geared than you and I’ve yet to see a 6k Oblit
You must be doing something very wrong.
Without my cd’s I get well over 4k obliterate crits. With cd’s I reach upwards to just at 7k.
Not sure if you’re flexing but I’ll take your statement with a grain of salt. Exaggeration, my numbers may be, but still. My point was and still is, Obliterate hits like a wet noodle.
This is not to compete of whom hits Obliterate the hardest. I was just simply ballparking. If you’re significantly more geared than I in an expansion where primary stats are far more weighted (which is why I’m a Mechagnome), you’re supposed to parse with Obliterate more than me.
I said 4-7k. Yours may be 5-8k. I may be wrong. Damage has a lot of variance now.
@blizzard can you please give your paying customers a blue post on WHY you nerfed frost dk into dust. We CANNOT COMPETE in this game in our current state. We literally need a flat dmg and a survivability buff.
I would live to know why a Dev would spend time updating frost animations, bringing back 2 handed frost and un pruning abilities, just to ensure, that yet again, it is a trash spec.
Isn’t it obvious?
They’d rather us not play Frost. So right now it’s our turn to be at the bottom.
At the bottom? Why do so many people with low crit rating say these things? If people were saying this stuff with above 20% crit… fine you have a point. But 8%? That means you only have 3% crit from gear because the base crit chance for frost is 5%. Of course you arent going to be doing reliable damage. It doesnt matter how hard you can hit if you arent hitting that hard regularly. You cant just increase your ilvl and say job done, you need certain stats.
I can assure you that I’m doing absolutely nothing wrong.
In what? Random BGs on Clothies? You’re hardly more geared than I am who is in turn much more geared than the person I replied to who is claiming the same numbers you are. The math doesn’t add up Chief.
Just for grins and giggles, I grabbed the GA talent and with full RI stacks, RotFC procced along with Pillar, the highest crit I saw in testing was 59XX. 7k is quite a stretch at my gear level in PvE without some external buffs/enemy debuffs. Especially considering I have about 100 more mastery than you do. So I have a hard time believing your numbers aren’t exaggeration. MAYBE with your trinket procced (IIRC it can proc Mastery) on top of RI stacks with RotFC and Pillar, but outside of that? No way.
Unless you’re Kyrian with the Pelagos 350 mastery buff. Then I could easily see it. But your armory says Necro.
I’m not trying to have a pissing match as I don’t care who says they have the biggest Obliterate phallus, I just want people to be honest about their numbers. The devs read these forums believe it or not. Lying and exaggerating isn’t going to help get Frost the tuning fixes it needs. Hence why I’m playing Unholy even though I’d much rather play Frost.
Not a flex at all. Just pointing out your number claim is absurd with your gear level. But you admitted your numbers were exaggeration, so thats that really.
Might need a buff but don’t expect to be hitting KM Obliterates as hard as a Ret Paladin. Obliterate is an attack that can be used very often.
I leveled 50-60 as frost, hoping it would get better as I got more things, it didn’t.
So instead of beating my head against a brick wall I just switched to unholy for dps, night and day.
Bad tuning isn’t a bug, it’s neglect.
UH is very good there is no question. Just from a game play point of view I don’t find it as “fun” as frost and yes fun is subjective etc…
In any case we will have to see what type of tuning gets tune for frost dks when the raid drops. Will it be reverting the pillar of ice nerf, allowing obliterate to hit harder or perhaps just a general aura buff.
Okay, for one I though you were talking about pve.
Sorry for the miss communication there. Although, for anyone curious, as of now with getting better gear I’ve seen over 8k crits. I do think that bloodlust and the empower rune weapon conduit that gives extra haste played a factor in there together allowing me to get more obliterates in during Pillar with also builds up even more strength without both. Otherwise, with just ERW I’ve peaked at 7.1k.
And no. I’m all necro lord BTW.
My only on use trinket as of now is… a random effect buffing trinket. I’ve seen mastery, crit and haste active at different times so it’s not entirely accurate, however, I have seen that when haste procs with it being along my erw then that gives me extra obliterates in Pillar building up more stacks of strength.
So, yeah. It is very possible to hit those high numbers with my gear. The key is timing. I regularly hit over 4k without my cd’s (most of the time it’s me timing it perfectly with unholy strength).
But, even then Unholy still is king. We have one ability going for us and everything else is situational cool downs, while unholy has tons of abilities for them and their pets to use all willy nilly for a ludicrous amount of damage being thrown out.
Seriously, just test it out. That’s always what I do. Right now, the empower rune weapon haste buff from conduit + blood lust during Pillar (bonus if unholy strength also procs) is enough to give you the damage that I’ve seen anyway.
Did I also mention that unholy is still our overlords?
I’d say they’re a lot closer than you think, I’m sure having legendaries and more conduits will change things a little bit but at the moment I’m doing roughly the same DPS as both frost and unholy. Frost has more overall consistency in DPS where Unholy starts out really strong then falls off
The biggest difference really is on ST bosses and unholy only clearly wins if Army is up. In terms of AoE trash killing in mythics its about the same for both specs, the bigger the pull the more dps you’ll do. I’ve hit over 15k DPS as both specs with big pulls in mythic 0 and torghast.
As for obliterate, a 3-4k crit is pretty low. My average is 7k and obliterate is so strong its usually your top damage by a LANDSLIDE even in dungeons. Granted I might be a bit more geared than the OP. Hard to know when people post on level 10 alts
In PvP it does a little less damage but its still strong.