Fast Fix for KSH Titles (And probably the best long term)

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Tuning classes around M+ might be one of the most maddening math problems in WoW. The content changes, classes design fluctuates, the meta for pulls is always shifting and the interaction of our specs/classes with the content either excels or has reduced value as the result.

I like how solo shuffle awarding titles based on specs. Why can’t M+ do the same?

This season, if you’re a hunter trying to get title might be harder, or a havoc DH, along with others. Due to defensives, group buffs, etc.

Argumentation has changed the game, and without buffing healers tremendously, there is no clear answer on how to fix this problem. Perhaps increasing augments buffs to some classes, but having to take this new spec this season will remove the chance to bring a non-aug spec to get into groups by that same amount.

That easiest solution is to have each spec compete against each spec, because after all, that is really the PVE game. You can’t compare how an enhancement shammy cleaves vs. a fire mage. So, why should those specs be competing against each other in title.

The same goes for healing balance.

If you are the top percentile of gamers for your spec, you should get title. It’s not any less valuable or more valuable than the top key pushes. The difficulty of achievement is based on your class balance. Not the overall meta, and thus title should work the same.

Augmentation solved the a lot of the survivability issues, but has reduced synergy for a multitude of classes. Tuning augmentation alone will not fix the issue, because it will always be brought. Any spec that significantly reduces the healing load will be requested over a class that does not. We need spec based KSH titles.

Thanks for reading.

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This is definitely a great first step and should’ve been done from the beginning like shuffle. However the first issue I could see is that you’d have groups that are effectively ‘carrying’ someone where its the current exodia comp with a non-meta dps in place of the fire mage.

This could create issues where it feels like these players are not ‘pulling their weight’ and lowering the chances of the other meta specs in the group to get their hero title.

Ultimately it feels like a net positive because people would actually interact with those specs which is good for the meta. There are good specs that are just being ignored imo e.g. frost dk and ele sham. You wouldn’t know that if you just went to subcreation which is already flawed (another issue entirely).

Please make this change Blizz.

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Definitely needed. And the biggest advantage is that it will let us see just how powerful the meta really is. If there’s an incentive for the very best players to stick with off meta specs then we’ll get a much better idea of how far behind they are.

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We can hope they do this!

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I think this a great suggestion though I would be concerned that it might create more issues than it solves. I think at the end of the day the solve for this issue is to make it much easier to regear an alt and allow the top players to constantly reroll based on current metas. For these top tier players the class is just a set of tools to take into the dungeon and switching the tool set is not a big deal when advantageous.

Personally I would like to see achievements added for reaching KSM/KSH with the same class across multiple seasons so that there is some incentive for us mid level players to stick with our favorite class.

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This would be Exodia Chooses You meta.

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I felt like s1 DF was much better class balance.

But yes, it’s never been this imbalancedlike in s2 post augment. That being said, m+ has been notorious for FoTM since legion, and it would be great if non-fotm classes could be scored against each other for title vs. the fotm classes. Rerolling should not be the only option, and even then if you reroll you still have to gain credibility for this new class you’re playing.

I’d love another solution but after 4 expansions of m+ spec specific titles/achieves might be the only way. But of course I’d really like to hear other solutions for fair score balancing on non-meta classes.

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Are you suggesting more titles be handed out, or the same amount of players, but split amongst all classes? (I.e Aug evoker title would be substantially harder to get score wise than say assassination rogue ect) if you are suggesting more titles, it would water down the achievement. If you are suggesting the same amount split amongst classes, there would be some title holders hundreds of points lower than some other players. It’s a slippery slope.

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I have already suggested this here few weeks ago ill just copy pasta my previous message hopefully blizz sees it:

This is now the worst m+ balance has ever been. Currently NA+EU 88.8% of Rank1 titles are taken by 5 meta specs. There is no way to fix this if they nerf meta specs it doesnt matter because nobody would be able to overtake them anyway. Handing out r1 titles per spec % representation is the only way to go. 6 CLASSES (not specs) are totally dead in M+: hunters,monks and warlocks(9specs) are 1% of rank1 players as per current standings.

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So basically the meta comps boost a 5th for title?

Because that is what would happen.

Do people think a massive fresh batch of players would be getting the title if they did this? :rofl:

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While this is true do you think it’s better or worse than what we have now? We don’t even get to see players playing the underrepresented specs at a high level. While I agree they would be getting carried by the most op specs (exacerbated by this current meta) we’d have a far better picture of relative balance.

Almost every top player has rerolled into this exodia comp for r1 pushes. ‘Bad’ specs are completely ignored. I don’t care about new players getting the title I’m talking about a meta that becomes incredibly boring and stale when people realize how good a single spec is (which is made worse by support specs). Wouldn’t it be interesting to at least see some more people push the limit on some off-meta specs like unholy, feral, mm, etc. even if it’s just the same top 100s of players?

We may know that fire mage is the best dps but how far away is one of these specs if you just insert it into the same team?

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The players getting the title are likely not going to change regardless of class balance so what does it matter what classes they choose? I find it hard to believe that someone who would normally have zero chance getting the title is going to reroll a meta class and then beat out all the other rerollers for title but I could be wrong.

I think the players who have managed to get the title playing non meta specs in the past need to embrace rerolling as it is surely the way forward for mythic plus. I think having the top players reroll each season to the meta is how Blizzard intends things to be from here on out as it creates more variety each season for the top players who embrace it. Players who are unwilling to reroll no longer have a place at the top.