Do we know if the drops are sped up at all yet or will this take 4 months (not acounting for 25m version) to complete based on OG data Obviously refering to how many of the gems we’ll get and cluster drops from the bosses.
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10 man is being buffed to be the same rate as 25m.
If 10man is being buffed to the same rate as 25man blizz better buff 25man.
Why? It’s been proven to you that 25 has a higher clear rate (clears per runs) according to official numbers. There is no reason for you to cry.
Where is the source on this, if you don’t mind?
Probably like they did with Val’anir, Shadowmourme and Taregosa, it will have a nerf for completing the quest and the daggers which is less time than it took to get it, but I wish they would give it to more classes not only for rogues, like for say the druids like more close class.
I like it, finally a justice for rogues THAT IS NOT COMBAT ROGUES, but the bad thing is that it is a very selfish item for being just one class, something like the Warglaives of the DH that until now I wish other classes would use.
But let’s hope it has a good result compared to what was seen in its time when it was retail.
Because there is 2.5 times as many players in the run as 10man why should 10 man be on par with 25? That makes no sense.
It’s still BiS for Combat rogue’s, i used em as Combat back in the day there to OP over most the other items, (least as far as my memory and all the other RL buddies that played back in the day can remember i might have switched to mut)
Either way if it’s just a buff to 10man it’s still going to take a long time if the drops are not increased slightly per boss, At least the first half for opening the clusters for gems needs to be Cluster’s themselves i dont know, should be increased as well.
I just dont want to see them be BiS and basicly everyone gets them a month before MoP that would just suck.
You have no idea what rate means.
Ok and how many 10man raids take more than 1 rogue? Most raid groups dont take more then 2 rogues to a 25man raid.
How many casters are in a 10man raid on average 3? most 10 man raid groups made 3-4 staffs in FL
If half of your DPS are casters in a 25-man raid with a 2/5/18 composition, that means you have 9 caster DPS. Additionally, there are likely 4 healers who might want the staff, assuming you have at least 1 Holy Paladin. Therefore, there are 13 potential staff users in a 25-man raid.
Same math can be used for melee in ICC that used the 2h axe.
The point I am trying to make here is simple: you have far fewer rogues in your raid (1-3 on average) who will be going for daggers than any other weapon in the last two expansions. It’s a single class legendary.
the speed seems to be increased on ptr but there’s no actual word from blizzard on it yet
(25 man)
Honestly not surprised. But 10man doesn’t need to the same rate as 25man.
Per player, it should.
Absolutely not. 25-man raids should always be faster than 10-man raids due to the player ratio. A 10-man raid has 2.5 times fewer players than a 25-man raid, so they should not be treated equally. If this were the case, people would stop doing 25-man raids.
Is there a source to this? Or has this been confirmed yet on the PTR?
Found more information from the rogue discord for those interested. These are numbers based on current PTR information:
Maw of Oblivion: The Sleeper & The Dreamer iLvl 406
Requirements: 333 Shadow Gems
25-man bosses drop 7 - 9 Elementium Gem Clusters
Each Elementium Gem Cluster contains 6+ Shadow Gems (currently on PTR)
48 Shadow Gems per boss on average comes out to about 7 bosses, less than 1 raid clear
Fangs of the Father: Golad, Twilight of Aspects & Tiriosh, Nightmare of Ages
Requirements: 60 Elementium Gem Clusters, Fragment of Deathwing’s Jaw
Average 8 Clusters per boss = 8 bosses = 1 raid clear (currently on PTR)
Note: Must turn in the 60 Elementium Clusters to get the quest to loot Fragment of Deathwing’s Jaw from the Madness encounter
Total: If the PTR numbers are what go live, you could get Legendary Daggers in as little as 2-3 clears of Dragon Soul 25m.
With 10m being 4-5 Elementium Gem Clusters per boss, same number of gems per cluster. So 4-5 lockouts for 10m.
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Oh? What makes you think people won’t run 25’s anymore? Or is it just because you want all of the gold from the cuts of the GDKPs you bought carries to get into?
Best Reply here, i must have missed it on the simonize discord i rarely check that i assume thats your source, thx for the good post do wish blizzard would actually say something though to confirm it.
Players gravtitate towards efficiency.
10 man and 25 man being “”““equal””“” means players feel more free to choose the raid environment they enjoy more.
Change the loot to have one form of content blatantly outbenefit the other and people will change to that one.
Well that’s where the loot itself is more beneficial on 25 man as it is more drops so faster gearing in the long run providing your items drop in comparison with 10 being less drops then 25man, Yes less competition in 10 vs 25 but, overall a longer gearing process in 10 imo if your items dont drop often enough in it.
where i feel they should up the drops in 10 in comparison to 25man just 1 or 2 more 25 should still drop 1 or 2 more then 10 yes but as it currently is 10 is slower in that nature Thus 25 man is more desirable even with more competition.