However, i think a cool idea that may be unpopular to those with a lot of faction pride… would be tension inside each faction, instead of between them. Like a couple ally races have issue with the rest and break off, and same happens to horde, and they ally with eachother and now we have two (or maybe even three factions) with a different collection of races than we currently have. A changing political climate seems more likely than just a constant hot/cold/friend back and forth between the existing factions. Idk was reading several other faction war topics and thought this would be a fresh way to bring back some conflict aside from vs cosmic beings and whatnot. Maybe reconquering azeroth with different territory lines drawn, etc? A new capitol city or two with both horde and ally thematics for a fresh visual. Stuff like that
I agree get rid of the undead they stink
I would love to have a faction war, with the other faction. Just not for dumb reasons. I also think conquering cities would make things interesting, and add a sandbox immersion to it.
Perhaps even had a reputation system you can build between collectives within your faction. But rather building it for yourself, building it to retain neutrality/ally status, or opening the doors to civil faction wars.
After reading a bunch of threads on this stuff… Just kill factions entirely. They don’t need to exist anymore. After 12 years of always coming together to deal with something just get grump face at each other again after the latest Crisis of the Year has been dealt with has grown old. Battle grounds can just be two teams of players going at it randomly put together of any race. World PvP is effectively dead anyway.
This game is much more of a role playing game with other people rather than the “other world” it used to be anyway.
sounds kinda lame tbh. About as bad as the cop out faction wars that end up being 'We must koombahyah to defeat a god (N’zoth)"
Gonna be a no from me, dawg.
So is poor story telling that turns characters into murder hobos to force a war . Game has evolved well beyond the need for the factions, and we’re almost there anyway with being able to cross faction group. Blizz has shown they can’t write a faction war story thats satisfying for both factions, and theres really no way to. The direction the game has taken to be more narrative focused and more RPG like, but its held back by trying to make two factions of players happy. The days of faction fighting worked in classic for example because the world worked as facilitator of interaction between the players with its smaller localized stories, and problems set to the backdrop of “The alliance and the horde hate each other.” It even worked well enough beyond that because Varian in particular couldn’t let his hate of the horde go, until the events of mists of pandaria, and the same with Garrosh.
At least we agree on the part of bad excuses for conflict/war.
I don’t see that evolution honestly. I see people leaving in droves because of bad story telling, and hyper-focusing game design on competitive levels which tends to irritate casuals who have to deal with wannabe hardcore players.
I think their narrative fell apart gameplay wise.
Yeah, I don’t think the death of leaders is going to change much. This would also contribute to the problems of the narrative falling apart. Example, the US had a cold war with Russia for some 50 years, 30 years later everyone still won’t let the stereotype go. With the amount of conflicts that have happened in the game, I don’t foresee these narratives vanishing any time soon. Devs resistance to merging them together kinda indicates its not changing anytime soon. Maybe the way they deliver the narrative but its not going to keep people around. The only people left are those who’ve been playing this game for the last 18 years, and have some form of loyalty to the franchise. Then you’ve some newer people that join, but not many stick with it.
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Ok, about about Alliance and Horde vs. a different new faction that wants Azeroth for itself and wishes to get rid of all the current inhabitants?
Isn’t that every enemy army we face?
Any type of war is fine with me as long as the Horde eradicates the Void Elves because even Lor’themar Theron dislikes them.
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This sounds like a treatise on how to destroy guilds.
Faction war is terrible from a narrative perspective. BFA was the perfect example of that. There is no “good” story where your faction is on the losing side for the playerbase. If their faction isn’t winning, then they’re going to consider it trash writing due to how innately (even oddly) biased people are towards their respective faction. Blizzard would basically be asking for a lose-lose situation where the entire playerbase is dissatisfied.
Anyone who wants the faction war can just turn on warmode and kill each other. However, bringing it back to the narrative forefront would be a disaster. Let’s not forget we live in pretty sensitive times right now (Ukraine / Israel) and Blizzard would be forced to tread lightly on how they portray the war. People take it more personally when it’s the player factions, and in war atrocities are likely to be expected, and nobody wants to be associated with such things these days on a personal level. If the burning happened today, there’d be riots at Blizzard.