Faction Imbalance?

It was a mistake and a bad move to do it then. It would be a mistake and bad move to do it now.

I don’t know why anyone would ever think its a good idea for the devs to go out of their way to break the game. Its not.

The devs should be looking at ways to give incentive without making the game worse. Lopsided racials make the game worse. Why do you want to make the game worse?

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Really? Where was that “more aggressive playerbase” before Blizzard gave the horde OP racials?

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Think about this; YOU are justifying the break that they made, which made the game worse (for the Alliance at least). The question is, why are you justifying it?
This is your supposed standard, right?

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I never once justified it. Please show me anywhere that I stated what they did was ok.

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You seem to be okay benefitting from it.

Besides, if they gave Alliance OP racials, the horde is so superior with its “aggressive playerbase” and better use of game mechanics and they are so “gud” that it shouldn’t matter, right?

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If you are just going to make up things about me, should I even reply? You will just pretend I said something (again) that I never once stated.

At this point you are having this conversation with yourself as I never once stated anything you are attributing to me.

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Inherits billions of dollars then says “It is wrong for someone to inherit billions of dollars”.

You mean like that?

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Hi. Maybe you did not notice. But I am playing a goblin. Goblin is one of the worst possible choices for elemental shaman. Apparently I care so much about racials. Right? And benefiting from broken ones?

And no. Its not like that at all. You are seriously lacking here. You are either flat out making things up/lying about what I have stated, or creating analogies that have no connection to the actual conversation.

If you want to have an actual discussion, I am open to it. If you want to continue to make things up about me, or throw out misguided analogies while avoiding anything I am actually saying…then I am done replying to you.

That being said. I want there to be incentive for top end guilds to play Alliance. I just think it should be done without making the mistake of once again breaking the game with OP racials. I feel there are ways to do it. It will just be a slower process than what people want.

I don’t think fostering an environment of “racials are OP” and have it go back and forth between the factions is the right way. How long do the Alliance racials get to be broken before its the Horde’s turn again? How will this actually benefit the game (long term) for the Alliance racials to be broken?

I am sure Blizzard wouldn’t mind short term. They’d make some quick bucks on all the faction changes. But it won’t actually make the game better. I want the game better. I want both factions able to stand on their own without needing a broken racial crutch.

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the 60/40 split comes at around max level . While leveling both are about even with alliance having a slight edge.

Also realm pop doesn’t reflect how many players but toons played and the vast majority of people actually play both sides. So those numbers don’t actually represent more actual horde players then it does more people playing their horde toons at higher levels then they are their alliance toons.

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Who cares who the “headlining raiders” play. What in the world does it matter to you.? Your team to “win” what?

I’m lost.

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I wanna root for an Alliance team in a race to world first

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Oh. People do this?

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A stronger Alliance showing in the World First Race will also make the Alliance raiding community better, as a whole.

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Then I apologize. My point is that the horde as a faction benefited from what you declared was “breaking the game”.

What kind of incentive do you think top end guilds would need to play Alliance, if not racials?

Seriously?

My point is that if it isn’t wrong for Blizzard to break the game and “freeze it” where it benefits the horde, then it’s not wrong to do the same thing for the Alliance.

Right now, they’re applying bandaids instead of addressing the real problem.

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EMFH ring any bells :wink: pre nerf, Im sure you remember when Blizzard introduced mercenary mode to alleviate ALLIANCE queue times, did you conveniently forget about that ? I thought so

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Source?

Cause all the BG stats I see have horde dominating every map…

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No.
And according to various sites that try to measure WoW population Alliance outnumbers Horde overall. The imbalance in PvP, if there even was one, came from Alliance not turning War Mode on unless they could be assured of overwhelming odds in their favor. Basically, Alliance were outnumbered in WM because Alliance wouldn’t turn WM on.

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Not at all. My point is that merc mode (it came out in 2015, right? That was still horde-dominating) is a bandaid and does nothing to address the actual problem.

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I don’t think any said it wasn’t wrong for Blizzard to majorly screw up and having racials unbalanced. They aren’t right now though.

What do you feel the real problem is? I don’t mean to ask what some might consider an obvious question, but often I have found different people feel there are different “real problems” so just wanting to be on the same page.

I think what Blizzard is doing right now is a start. I personally feel the Alliance racials that have come out with Allied Races are better than Horde ones over all. Not brokenly better, but pretty good.

Fixing the imbalance without creating something brokenly OP will be a slow fix. People will only mass transfer if something is broken.

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Here are a couple of things off the bat:

  1. The imbalance for pvp is so bad that they had to create an incentive for the Alliance to even turn on War Mode. The incentive had to be heroic raiding ilvl gear. Had it even been close to balanced then there would never have been an incentive to add.
  2. BGs. Horde have long queues because the Alliance don’t queue up much since there is no point as the Horde dominate them.
  3. Look at wowprogress. 6 Alliance were in the top 40. That means 34 were horde guilds. The top Alliance one is #11.

What makes it better is this:

  1. Their racials. They have been superior for quite awhile. So people started moving to the Horde for this. Hence look at the raiding guilds and see the last time an Alliance guild was even in the World top 5.

  2. They get the red carpet treatment whereas the Alliance get the sewer treatment like mutants from Futurama. The Horde story is so much more in depth and the Alliance most of the time are just a throw in story.

Look at BfA as a prime example. Look at MoP and how the last 1/3 was all about the Horde and their war chief and the Alliance were just there. The whole raid was based in Org. Even once you killed Garrosh, the Alliance cut scene felt awkward and pointless vs the Hordes.

  1. Horde is favored by the devs. Alliance have had content cut out of an expansion due to time constraints because they had to make sure the Horde got all of theirs. Another one is the new Allied Races coming in 8.1.5. The Alliance had to do a Mythic dungeon (it is heroic now I believe but still) while the Horde only had to do a quick 10 min solo scenario. The list goes on and on. You can probably search the forums for tons of examples people have given.

With these few examples I gave, more and more Alliance have been starting to faction change because they are tired of how the Alliance get treated. I simply won’t change because I love my gnome and not a fan of the Horde. I am used to being the faction that is “just there” and used to anything better we get than the horde to be nerfed to the ground shortly after.

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