Its fine because the game isn’t balanced around CE guild.
15 years later and you still haven’t got a clue.
yep. I know. Blizzard has allowed most of their servers to wither away to almost nothing. the people left on them who don’t pay $25 per character to transfer off are, through no fault of their own, basically left with a degraded game as far as anything outside of the LFG system goes.
My guild was founded on Gorgonnash, and over the years, we watched the server die. We finally left in Mists when we were one of the only 25 man guilds still raiding (one of two).
We moved to Cenarius. At the time, it was a healthy pop server…which, we again watched die. We transferred off to Proudmoore, as a last ditch effort to try to stay alliance.
But trying to maintain a CE quality mythic raiding guild alliance side was too much. we’re horde now. things are vastly, vastly better than they were alliance side.
the two problems (raiding population imbalance) and server populations are different, but connected.
blizzard needs to connect far more realms than they have, and they need to figure out the raiding population imbalance.
so in other words, you’re just blowing smoke, because you have no actual experience in the topic you’re addressing?
ok.
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15 years of teaming up every single raid teir. 15 years of watching our leaders communicate with eachother despite not being able to do so in game.
15 years of having NPC’s of the other factions races speak my language, and having the other factions players speak gibberish
This thread is about competitive raiding. Club Camel is not switching to Horde because of aesthetics.
No, they really don’t.
My self interest is WoW, as a whole, being a good game. I am advocating that they don’t break WoW by making racials so lopsided people mass transfer. Which is what is being advocated when people ask for OP Racials
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I don’t disagree - but that’s fixable.
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I thought the raiding communities on the ‘full’ Alliance realms like Stormrage were still holding out fine?
I know there is a massive bias to Horde guilds having the ‘good’ players (subjectively I have vastly more problems in PuGs for 5mans with Alliance compared to Horde), but I though there were still a few holdout Alliance guilds?
They have let it get out of hand now I think its abit late to fix it, unless they give free faction swaps and we all know Blizzard are not going to do that and lose potential money 
So, no you do NOT have any experience trying to lead or recruit for an alliance guild pushing content which means you have no idea what you’re talking about and just want us to stop talking about the problem because it only affects you if it were to be fixed.
If it were me and our situation were reversed, I would be on your side (after mocking you appropriately) because balanced factions make for a better game experience all around.
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Trying to put words in my mouth.
Specifically for Shaman don’t Tauren (not HM) and Trolls (not ZA) have the slightest DPS gain over the other races?
I know you post a lot in the Shaman forums and know more than most.
Make Alliance Vulpera a thing
Also, OP racials wouldn’t actually fix the problem anymore. People aren’t faction transferring for the racials and haven’t for a long time now.
It’s all about recruitment and having access to like-minded players.
No. Just pointing out the obvious since you dodged the question.
If you want to play Alliance go roll Alliance, if you want to play Horde go roll Horde, that’s the way the game works since like forever.
Alliance already have the most competitive race for MDI and AWC, on top of having 30% more advantage in resource gain and way more accesible Hall of Fame timer, not even in WOD they’ve put this much bias towards 1 faction.
What more do you want? You want the entire Club Camel guild to be locked in their faction?
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I was on Proudmoore, which is a high pop alliance realm. And recruiting for a CE mythic guild alliance side… man. just no. it has been getting progressively worse over the years, but this expansion has been brutal.
recruiting alliance side? the large majority of people you speak to won’t even consider an alliance group, or are alliance and only looking at horde.
hours, and hours and hours spent coming wowprorgress, recruritment discords, forums, reddit, etc, looking for people. Then classic hits and we lose even more that we can’t replace because there simply aren’t enough raiders alliance side to fill the spots.
Yes, of course, there are alliance guilds still standing, but I think it’s inaccurate to use their existence as proof that there isn’t a problem.
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Dwarf is number 1 for both elemental and enhancement.
DPS increases from racials is typically so minor that it just doesn’t matter in nearly every case. You could pick the worst option (orc for enhance, spacegoat for ele), and it wouldn’t be noticeable in your dps.
Did you even read the title?
Method says they do, I trust their word in the matter more than yours.
Yes. Its about Club Camel. A competitive raiding guild. Switching to Horde.
Citation needed.
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you have to ask yourself as a player what does this mean… more so as alliance player…
you would think that requirements for raiding with pugs might decrease or m+ the same people that think that there’s the same number of alliance players as before keeps the same requirements for pugging…
everytime any alliance mythic guild leaves a bunch of their fans or friends leaves with them… therefore it ends up being worse for any sort of content for alliance players people that want to get into raiding might not get the chance to do so so long systems like cloak and ap are a thing as well… and the community isnt very welcoming with people looking to try out things out of their comfort zone.