I mean I supported your OP from the first post I made but it just wasn’t what you wanted to hear so you just got upset.
I don’t think anybody here said the behaviour was acceptable either.
Then I’d love to know what you learned in the last 20 hours of this thread being up and whether or not the application of knowledge was easy and provided improvement for you.
Okay, thanks for your view on what happened. I didn’t like your initial post because you were condescending and patronizing, not because of your overall message, but rather, the execution of it.
That’s all.
You found a person who was unhelpful on an online game. That’s all.
When I tanked more in early bfa there was a guy that did quick tank guides that were usually 2 minutes long. I would just watch that while killing trash between bosses.
Might be worth looking for them.
Yeah I found a couple, they’re pretty good.
Tanks are still in high demand for dungeons, but not as much for raids. You never (or very rarely) need more than two tanks for a raid regardless of how many other players you bring, so the role just doesn’t scale as well there. That said, on the whole, you’ll have a much easier time finding groups as a tank than any other role.
cause a lot of people have spent a lot of time making video or written guide for literally everything… this tier has been out for a bit. There’s nothing particularly new for tank either ( granted, I don’t know how much mechanic they took out in the LFR versions…) and there’s a HUGE margin for error allowing you to see how the mechanic work 4-5 time before you wipe.
Also, welcome to the life of the tank… you are expected to figure stuff out quickly and lead on.
well, you failed at LFR mechanic ( and still have yet to specify which boss/mechanic you failed on) so… if the video guide + the dungeon journal wasn’t enough for you… i’m not quite sure what you expect from the other tank?
Especially since I can’t really think of anything but taunt-swapping as far as tank mechanic goes in LFR… so if you didn’t get the clue about taunt swapping after the first 6 insert_boss_mechanic_here … not sure why a 7th or an 8th would’ve changed anything?
I was thinking specifically of LFR. Last I played was maybe 6-10 months ago, and most actual tanks hated tanking LFR so I was able to get into LFR within a couple minutes when I felt like it. I have a little time to play again now and I’m wondering if that’s still possible or if I’d have to wait on a 20 minute queue or something.
I would say two things.
Based on your post, the other tank may or may not have been experienced, so he might not have had much advice to give.
In my experience in LFR - obviously dated a bit - tanks communicate by whispers, not in raid chat. Maybe it’s easier to admit what you do or don’t know when the whole raid doesn’t have to know it. You might try that next time.
DBM, big wid, and I believe the blizz default UI kinda of yell at you whenever you have to taunt swap… which is moreorso the only tank mechanic present in LFR.
you also won’t die if you miss one of them in LFR… you have to miss like 5 in a row ( thinking about wrathion or ra-den here) and… well, if he didn’t realize it by the 5th debuff, he probably wouldn’t have realize dby the 7th.
LFR have to navigate a fine line between mechanic not being too punishing (but still noticeable)… and people flat-out ignoring them ( which does happen when people are slightly over-geared… which mean world quest and warfront gear at this point…)
Earlier on I stated that this boss required adds to be pulled under the boss. I was the add tank and the other was the boss tank. Aside from dodging and staying out of fire that was it.
Not sure where you got all those assumptions from but Coolio.
I get these assumptions from the fact that you didn’t specify which boss you were fighting. a lot of presumptions could’ve been avoided if you just said, outright, that you were fighting X boss.
surely you can remember which boss the drama took place at… not like there’s a thousand different boss to keep track of.
wrathion : no add to be pulled ot boss.
skitra: no add to be pulled under boss… no add to be pulled, at all.
maut: no add to be pulled underboss.
hivemind: the adds fixate on random player. tank have to stack/split based on the phase.
ra-den: is there even adds on LFR? I’m not quite sure how dumbed-down the taunt-swap mechanic is on LFR… but taunt-swapping is 10X more important than the void or crackling add.
shad’haR: no add.
drest’agath: no add that you can move.
il’gynoth: no add to be pulled under boss, they fixate on random player.
xanesh : no add.
vexiona: that’s the one boss where add being cleaved under boss kind of make sense… was this the one boss you wiped on? did you point the annihilation on the raid?
Carapace: the add just… instantly get vaporized, even on mythic.
n’zoth: if you somehow had trouble moving psychus from tendies to tendies, you did an awful job explaining that was your problem.
Oh, and the main point remain: if you can’t figure stuff out quickly, by yourself, as a tank… you’re in for a tough time when you start doing non brain-dead content…
Tanks usually have the easiest mechanic out of any role… but if they screw it up, everybody see it immediately.
No I didn’t point the annihilation as I left the orb for the boss tank to take his corruption stacks off. I pulled the adds to the boss and jumped out of the fire blasts whenever possible, and pointed the Annihilation away from the party (although yes there were times it hit some party members when I was running from the Vexiona airstrikes and the mob used Annihilation).
oh, so it was vexiona… you didn’t claim that just because I listed every boss, did you?
annihilation should never face the raid.
you can taunt swap on vexiona especially if the orb end up in a bad spot.
… what fire blast? the add don’t have any mechanic you have to dodge on non-mythic difficulty… even on mythic difficulty… it’s not a tank mechanic.
did you not soak in P2 ( does LFR vexiona require P2 soaking?)
what explanation did you need from the other tank?
Yes annihilation shouldn’t but when it casts it and I have to get out of the Vexiona airstrike I can’t really control other players staying too close to me. Sure I can try to stay away but if a rogue or other warrior is up my butt while I’m running I can’t rip the keyboard out of their hands and make them not move near me.
The fire blasts are when Vexiona swoops and coats a third of the arena in purple fire. You have to move out of the area when she does, so that’s when I have to move in a certain direction and the Annihilation will face me going in that direction.
The other tank never asked for a taunt swap and actually died after me, not before. Not even a quick “taunt” in chat and his health looked fine too.
I read the guide and simply asked if the boss had anything else not mentioned. No response. I tanked a previous raid in MoP with adds and pulling them to the boss and I knew from killing the other Void Ascendants before the boss that the giant beam doesn’t face the party, so there wasn’t really much else but I wanted to be totally sure it didn’t throw a curve ball.
We never made it to the third phase where we had to stick close to each other.
yeah you can.
especially as a warrior with heroic leap… you can definately jump somewhere nobody is and be out of the way.
I also doubt this is the reaons the other tank was yelling… a lone DPS who didn’t position himself properly, and stood for 7-8 second in annihilation without moving, and try to blame it on someonelse? maybe… the other tank who have -nothing- to do while vexiona is in the air? no.
The fire blasts are when Vexiona swoops and coats a third of the arena in purple fire.
that’s called shadow. you still have 270 degree of freedom about where to point the annihilation… if it actually overlap with the breath cast in LFR.
The other tank never asked for a taunt swap and actually died after me, not before. Not even a quick “taunt” in chat and his health looked fine too.
… yeah… the one accumulating shadow stack, taking heavy damage, will likely die before the one who doesn’t do anything for 50% of the fight. that’s normal.
I read the guide and simply asked if the boss had anything else not mentioned.
what an amazingly useless question.
No response. I tanked a previous raid in MoP with adds
… a single boss 3 expansion ago?..
We never made it to the third phase where we had to stick close to each other.
you’re still not explaining why you wiped. and you still seems to lack situationnal awareness… which is the most basic skill for tank.
The default UI had no audio last I checked so that can be missed. Sometimes tanks prefer to swap in a different place than DBM likes, too. Even aside from strategy preferences, gear can often affect swap thresholds.
I remember Crucible of Storms LFR and I did better when communicating with the other tank - including explaining the fights - than most people seem to have done. I haven’t done the current tier, but usually on some fights, the tanks can make things easier on the rest of the raid through proper positioning, for example, even in LFR.
The default UI had no audio last I checked so that can be missed.
definately DO show debuff on other player.
Sometimes tanks prefer to swap in a different place than DBM likes
LFR doesn’t require precise taunt swapping… it doesn’t matter if you swap a 2, 3 or 4 stack on wrathion… you have a lot of wiggle room there… also why the F does it matter if the other tank rather swap at 3 instead of 2? that’s not your problem.
gear can often affect swap thresholds.
not the minimal treshold…
I remember Crucible of Storms LFR
so… something where they pruned the fight soo badly there was nothing left… not even a ranged tank/ MC’ing which was one of the main mechanic of the real fight…
the tanks can make things easier on the rest of the raid through proper positioning, for example, even in LFR.
you’re still not explaining why the other tank was angry at you, why the raid somehow tough the wipe was on you, and what you expected to be explained to you in order to avoid it.
I think you’re confusing me with someone else.
You seem to be in the assumption I was the cause for the wipe and are looking to construe any information to support that, rather than actually trying to assess it from a neutral perspective, so I’m very doubtful of any conclusions you try to draw.
Right, because I’m the only person who will Heroic Leap to an area, as there can’t possibly be other warriors in a raid, or mages who can Blink.
And the beam aimed at me will not have anyone at all running in between me and the add.
Well you’re obviously set in your amazingly useless conclusion, so I won’t try to change it.
Nope, it looks like fire, summoning flames where it strikes. Sure it’s not red and orange, but warlock fire is green and it’s called fire.
Again, I can point it a certain direction, but I can’t control people running into it.
Yes, because pointing annihilation away from the part and onto me isn’t “doing anything”. Well I guess since I’m not “doing anything” it can’t possibly be my fault we get wiped then, according to your warped logic.
What an amazingly useless response.
What an amazingly useless question.
I don’t know where you’re getting “situational awareness” from, but since you’re going to be so hostile, I’m not going to answer that. I’m just going to point out flaws in your argument.