Their job is to do both.
My job is to enjoy the game. And I love xmog so much that being a night elf with way oversized shoulder xmogs, actually takes away from the game for me.
I could play horde, but MG alliance is unrivalled IMO. So I can ask for Velf DH, or look up that addon that lets me change my race client side.
In TWW, weâll be able to transmog our race.
I gave you examples of demon hunters on Azeroth and you gloss over it as if I said nothing. Putting words in my mouth, in fact. I never said anything about looking cool. I gave examples of how Blizzard could introduce more elves in the absence of Illidan. Things that are canon and part of the lore. Such as Telarius Voidstrider and Feronas Sindweller. Again, you have a lack of imagination and you donât know as much as you think you do about the lore of demon hunters.
It is ironic reading about how good you think DH lore is when all of Legion is a retcon to DH lore and the lore of Illidan himself. Prior to Legion, only 5 blood elves trained to become DHâs. Things change.
I am familiar with both of those, and neither says they are able to transform elves into demon hunters.
I was replying to 3 people, not just you. The first of those said all they cared about was looking cool. I said I understood thatâs all many care about. I have no way of knowing whether that includes you, hence the âmanyâ.
I have done the quests with both Telarius Voidstrider and Feronas Sindweller. Yes, they are demon hunters. No, they are not Illidan. And nothing in those encounters suggests they know how to create more demon hunters.
Blizz could do whatever they want. That doesnât necessarily mean all of those things would make the story better. Right now the story of becoming demon hunters is one of desperation and sacrifice. Both heroism and tragedy. 80% of those who sought out Illidan and volunteered did not survive the physical transformation, and half the survivors killed themselves or went postal when they saw what they were becoming. Blizz could decide now it is easy and anyone can gain those same powers just by going down to the DH recruiting office and signing up. Then anyone could be a DH with zero sacrifice required. Then they wouldnât have to explain why anyone in their right mind would volunteer to become a DH today, and take 90% risk of dying. Hopefully Blizz will never do such things.
Whenâs the last time you were at Black Temple (outside zone)? LOTS more than 5 demon hunters in training. Five were distinguished enough to be named and written about, but there were lots more being trained.
I do think the story of Illidan is one of Blizzâs best. As retcons go, it was well-handled. I say that because it made the Illidan character more interesting, more complex, more developed. His actions in BC always seemed irrational; the novel âIllidanâ makes sense of him. And his scenes in Legion were some of the all time best (both Gulâdanâs death and âRejection of the Giftâ).
Voidstrider literally drops the ritual to become a DH. If that isnât a hint that they donât need Illidan to teach others how to become a DH, I donât know what is. If they ever wanted to add more DHâs before Illidan returns, they could, and it would be supported by in game lore. That is all Iâm saying.
There are blood elves with glaives, all with their eyes. As I said, until Legion, only 5 blood elf demon hunters were trained. 1 killable in a quest in Shadowmoon Valley, the other a raid boss in Serpentshrine Cavern, and the other 3 died from madness.
DH lore is nothing but retcons. There will be more playable DHâs someday, and it doesnât matter your feelings on it.
Iâve said it before and Iâll say it again
Blizzard only needs to change the race toy!
Atomic Recalibrator:
No cooldown.
Permanent buff.
Visible only to the user!
(maybe party members too)
Like the cloak toy from remix.
Thatâs the ONLY way you can make both sides of the argument happy.
Annnd maintain the integrity, as well as coherence and cohesiveness, of the lore.
I whole heartedly agree with my boy Fel.
Donât cheapen the best remaining part of the story or their best anti-hero Illidan.
They already mercâd DKs and their best villain, Arthas.
The problems with the lore really got worse when they started pandering to people that donât actually care about anything, let alone the continued health of the greatest MMORPG ever created.
Want the story to matter again?
Stop treating it like it doesnât or that itâs too far gone
Except he doesnât. He drops âWritings of the Dark Heraldâ.
Writings of the Dark Herald
Item Level 1
Binds when picked up
Unique
This Item Begins a Quest
Requires Level 5
âThese etched writings reveal certain secrets on the path to becoming a Demon Hunter.â
Dropped by: Telarius Voidstrider
Drop Chance: 92.84%
Description: âThe scrolls are vague and appear to be a piece of a much larger puzzleâŚâ
In my own head cannon - head cannon that only fills in undefined spaces around official Blizz cannon - Telarius and his scrolls are one of the breadcrumbs we (aspiring Illidari) follow to find Illidan in Outlands, so we can risk the transformation and begin our training.
Thereâs also a new profession item in TWW (canât remember if itâs inscription or enchanting) that letâs you appear to be any race in the game. Basically transmog your race! That may go a long way toward making some players happy. All their characters can be Void Elves, or Blood Elves, or whatever they want!
Well said!
Writings of the Dark Herald:
Step 1.)
Be a Kaldorei or Sindorei, between the events of W3 and TBC, seeking revenge and the power to fight demons (the ones responsible for the scourge in blood elves case)
Step 2.)
Find Illidan
Amazing news about the race xmog thing!
Hopefully it satisfies the âI want to be a fox DH becauseâŚwellâŚbecauseâ crowd
The quest literally says it is part of the ritual to become a DH lol. I guess once a DH becomes a DH they just magically forget the process they went through? It is entirely plausible they donât need Illidan to teach others how to become a DH.
It is an RPG and having these restrictions is lame. Player agency is always better for the game.
Anyway, more playable DHâs are coming as soon as Illidan comes back in a few expansions and I for one can not wait.
Iâve been playing since TBC came out and originally maining a druid, it really sucked to only have 2 races to choose from for 6 years. Vanilla to Cataclysm, only night elves and tauren could be druids. They added worgen and trolls. DH is LONG overdue for additional playable races. As I said, your feelings on it donât matter, theyâre eventually coming because it is the right step.
By that logic we should be able to one shot prime Naaru as well.
Unstoppable endless demonsâ imminent approach is a pretty good reason to sacrifice all to acquire the specialized power required to counter them (demons)
What good reason will the new recruits have to carve out their eyes?
Looked cool? Haha
Strong opinions from a Draenei lock; standing for nothing personified. Itâs apotheosis in fact 
Via the aforementioned race xmog.
What more can you ask for?
I have 2 demon hunters I play as my mains since Legion, a nelf and belf each. My posting character has little to do with what I decide to play and main.
Your comment literally makes no sense. Not sure what naaru has to do with lore about fringe DHâs on Azeroth, or the game being an RPG, and player agency. But ok.
I actually own most of the WoW books and have an appreciation for the lore. Been playing forever and quite knowledgeable. Literally read every quest in the game. The notion that I donât care because I advocate for more playable DHâs is quite frankly absurd.
The game should have 2 more playable races. Even if it is just void elf and nightborne. They wouldnât hurt the game or its lore like you suggest. Especially considering lore is retconned every expansion to make room for new things.
It was a bad example maybe, but I was trying elucidate on the fact that Illidan was a prodigy mage and powerful on a scale few NPCs reach. We might not know or even have what it takes to replicate the ritual.
There is a gulf between going through something/having a general idea of how itâs done And being able to do it yourself to others.
Iâve had my wisdom teeth removed, had the process explained and could explain it to you. Doesnât mean I process the power (equipment) or knowledge/experience at the level to extract a tooth surgically.
Probably another poor example, but you might get what Iâm saying 
Iâm just tired of the game Iâve played and loved for almost 2 decades being irreparably damaged by nonsense executed at whim, clashing with the established story, and for no reason other than âbecause I wantâ pandering.
Iâll make an effort to reach common ground with you on something though!
Do you agree the Eredar should have been an allied race?
The point is the lore stinks. They introduce things like a rogue DH having parts of the ritual to teach others how to become a DH. If he has part of it, it is plausible others do too.
The game world is large, but the lore is so tiny and unimaginative sometimes. There should be a sect of DHâs in Felwood or some other dark place on Azeroth. Ones devoting themselves to creating more DHâs to not only fight demons, but all the darkness on Azeroth.
There are still demons on Azeroth, and the Legion while leaderless is surely still numerous on other planets. There would still be a need for them post Illidan.
Blizzard doesnât do this though because theyâre lazy and it would take effort. They donât world build or make things better or believable.
So while we can all agree Illidan and the Illidari are cool AF, it just makes no sense that they dropped off the face of the planet post Legion. Surely theyâre not all standing in Stormwind and Orgrimmar twiddling their thumbs.
I donât think Blizzard does things because players want so much as they struggle to find ways to add things without ruining the lore. I just gave an example of how they could add nightborne DHâs, or high elf ones for Alliance. Just have a group of experienced DHâs train new ones collectively. Altruis, Kayn, etc.
As for eredar customizations, I just like the Burning Legion and it suits a draenei warlock more than regular skin tones etc. I think of my warlock as a villain. Just like I would picture my void elf DH as a former blood elf/high elf if they ever become playable as DH.
The quest is to take the scrolls to a sentinel in Darkshore so she can confiscate it. The quest text makes it clear that while the scrolls describe "certain secrets on the path to becoming a Demon Hunterâ, they are âvague and appear to be a piece of a much larger puzzle.â Clearly they are not meant to be sufficient in and of themselves.
I would agree that player agency is often better for the game, but certainly not always. If we let players have and do anything they want, the game world would lose all coherence and become chaos. Did you ever play old style D&D fantasy games? I grew up with them. The dungeon master (game master) was responsible for creating a magical world, but one with some understandable rules and norms so players could make sense of it. Otherwise itâs harder to immerse and suspend disbelief. The better and more coherent the fantasy, the easier it is to get lost in it.
Could happen. If they write it well, I may even join you in celebrating it. My only concern is that it does justice to the story. One big conundrum would be that high mortality rate, combined with the mental instability from demonic influence. They would have to explain why anyone is willing to risk 90% chance of death to become a fel-maddened DH today. Back in Legion, we sacrificed everything to support Illidan because we believed he had the only viable plan for combatting the Legion. Are they going to write a new story where becoming one of Illidanâs DHs is the only way to save the day?
At the end of the day, neither of us is writing the story lol. My feelings matter about as much as yours, which is to say ânot muchâ as far as directing the course of Blizz. Or maybe Iâm wrong - are they calling you for ideas? They never call me. 
The lore is uneven, because it was written by dozens of writers over 20 years, each inheriting a story they did not begin and trying to improv off what came before then passing it on to the next team.
I get that you believe there should be such a group, but that doesnât mean we (or Blizz) agrees. Letâs call it your opinion, which is valid. We all have a right to our own opinions.
Or maybe they donât want to do it because they disagree that it would make things better? Maybe they agree with me that it would make things worse? Or maybe theyâre just busy with other projects.
Illidan committed to serving as Sargerasâs jailer. I sometimes wonder what they talk about through the door of his cell, and when we might see either of them again. They do, after all, have one thing in common: they were both willing to do whatever was necessary to vanquish their mortal enemies. As for the Illidari⌠I have been hunting Azshara. The hunter is nothing without the prey, and she is my prey for the moment. I figure all of our problems began when she made her pact with Sargeras, and she has yet to answer for her crimes.
But why would anyone volunteer for that transformation now, knowing theyâd most likely (90%) die, and even if they lived theyâd have demonic urges for the rest of their life? Why would anyone risk this unless there was no other way to save the world? What is going on currently that makes becoming a DH the only solution?
Illidan is a master of both arcane and fel magics, with the added insight of having been transformed himself by Sargeras. Itâs easy to see how he might be the only one qualified to manage this ritual.
Quite often the players remember and know more about the game than the devs do. Quite often players have better ideas than the devs do. And more often yet, players care more.
I do care about the story. And I think a 14 year old quest in the game is more memorable than half of what has been added since. It is a shame they donât riff on quests like the one Telarius Voidstrider drops.
There should be a place on Azeroth for the Illidari for all to see, not just DHâs. The Felhammer is nice and all, but a place on Azeroth in Felwood or some other place, a place where they congregate and train potential recruits would make the game feel more alive. Same goes for any other class with rich lore like a DK etc.
2 playable races for a class is not enough. They need 1 more for each faction AT LEAST. Not everyone wants to play a belf or nelf and I sympathize with those people. Like I said, vanilla druids sucked to play because you only had 2 choices for 6 years of the games life. They came up with new lore to include trolls and worgen. Same with tauren paladins being sun worshippers. They could come up with new lore, pulling from existing lore like Telarius, to explain why there are new DHâs being trained. But they donât do stuff like this anymore it seems and I think the game and world is worse off for it.
Watching people quibble about lore being a barricade to allowing something in game is entertaining. There are lightforged warlocks, lore is irrelevant.
Iâm not super familiar with the rogue DH in question, but was he successful or simply trying?
Iâm all for adding things to the game, having more races become playable, and making the world feel more lived in.
One of the biggest things about the current narrative is the insistence on having a new threat in some distant land no one knew existed, much less cares about enough to defend. Going somewhere and being their savior is great once in a while, we are heroâs after all, but Iâd really like for someone to visit us on the home turf for once. Give the devs a reason to finally update the classic zones. Some are incredible locations with great vibes, but the trees and textures are so jarring dated. Deadwind Pass and unâgoro crater come to mind.
I could be wrong (and if I am, please forgive me) but I think it was explained in the book they released surrounding Illidan. If I remember right (again, please forgive me if Iâm wrong, and I might be), it starts with the DH to be going in single combat against the demon of choice (generally itâs one theyâre familiar with and have a burning hatred for that allows them to stay focused on overcoming), upon slaying it quickly absorbing the demonâs soul, and then comes the internal battle that can last for quite a long period (I think itâs something like several hours to days) where the person inside is wrestling and trying to not only dominate but consume the demon. During the internal battle the demon haunts the DH to be with visions of what the legions plans are intimately to the point of the DH gouging their own eyes out to stop the visions. Worst of all with this ritual itâs actually far more common for the DH to be dies, gets possessed instead, or goes insane from the process.
So thatâs why (to my knowledge) it makes more sense for the elves of WoW to be a DH because theyâre all consistently absorbing random things around them. The closest to them would be their ancestors (the trolls) however, even the trolls donât go as in depth as they do with mojo consumption, and itâs even a minority of trolls that do the mojo thing.