Since there’s a new expansion on the horizon I felt the need to give the same feedback I’ve been giving since the DF beta:
The short range you’ve given to Evoker was a neat little experiment, (it wasn’t) but I think it’s time to just admit it was an abject failure, and move on. It adds nothing to any of the specs. Nothing positive, anyway. I don’t believe I need to elaborate any further than that.
Agreed. The shorter range feels so bad during pretty much any encounter. We’re casters, but we might as well be in melee lol.
The medium range has been a fantastic success. Any issues that still exist, or crop up, can be fixed through other means than extending the range of the class.
By whose standards? Because I’ve never spoken to anyone who actually plays an Evoker that has a positive opinion about it.
It’s a mild annoyance at best, and a deal breaker at worst.
You are currently speaking to someone with just shy of 29 days /played as an Evoker.
It’s a critical component of the core Evoker playstyle: mobility + needing to cast + needing to be in danger more often due to their range. Devastation epitomizes it but it’s still 95% present for Augmentation and 75% present for Preservation. Changing the range would inherently require many further changes which would ultimately result in a class with a completely new identity.
This tells me nothing, other than you just like being contrarian.
Good.
I’ve played all three specs at a mythic level, and I can say with confidence that the class needs a completely new identity.
You can have mobility, without a stupid gimmick. Look at Mages, or BM Hunters. And “being in danger more often” is not a positive trait, sorry to say.
It tells you that an exceptionally dedicated Evoker turbomain enjoys the range.
I’ve played Devastation to Legend twice, Augmentation to Legend once, and Preservation to Duelist, and I can say with confidence that you are utterly lacking in self-awareness to say that the class needs a whole new identity without any sense of irony. If you believe that, you know what it means? This isn’t the class for you.
The amount of narcissism necessary to be like, “I don’t like any of these specs but still want to be a dragon, so change the entire class for me” is earthshattering.
Every spec is a set of strengths and weaknesses. Enjoying playing a spec is just as much about enjoying playing around those weaknesses as it is about playing with those strengths. In the case of Evokers the extent of our mobility is absolutely tied to our range. If our range is extended we would guaranteed lose some of our mobility and the vast majority of our ability to cast while moving. This would further completely change the dynamic of our empowered spells.
If you want a conventional caster there is literally every single other caster that was already in the game. Pretty much every conceivable flavor of conventional caster is available to you. You wanting to be a dragon is not more important than the very playstyle of the Evoker class itself existing.
It would be, if I was the only person saying it. I guess you didn’t read this part:
We’ll have to agree to disagree, mister “Legend”.
Would you mind backing up your claims by showing which evoker you’ve done all these things on?
If not, then I’ve done everything you’ve done plus a little more, and I hate the short range. I won’t post my evoker, but trust me.
It applies to anyone saying it. You and your friends don’t constitute a comprehensive survey of the entire playerbase. Furthermore, even if it’s the case that there is a sizeable population subjecting themselves to a playstyle they dislike because they want to be a dragon, that doesn’t constitute a valid reason to change that playstyle. You’ll get your wish when more classes open up to dracthyr and you can be a mage instead.
You can not like the playstyle all you want, mister “mythic”, but what is an objective fact is that the range has a specific purpose that it has fulfilled perfectly, and is therefore a success.
Don’t really need him to back it up. His opinion is stupid and contrarian regardless.
I know. This poster doesn’t even know what objective means:
Bet.
Go on.
I very much know what it means. It’s more like you can’t analyze kit dynamics to understand how everything fits together.
I’m going to do a little experiment. I’ll go ask the general forums what they think of the range, since it will get more eyes there. Let it sit for a few days, and I’ll post the results here.
I’m morbidly curious.
You must have a PhD with your understanding of what constitutes a meaningful survey.
What, do you want me to go door to door?
I could ask Reddit too, but your massive Legend brain would probably reject that too.
So you’re just going to ignore that you haven’t proven your claims about your alleged evoker?
He posted on it. I didn’t bother looking at it, but he did post.
Oh…my apologies then.
I still don’t see it in this thread though. I don’t care enough to do a deep dive being honest.
In other news, I hate evoker’s short range as well. And apparently, opinions are objective fact thus it’s proven the short range is a failed experiment.
Edit: I just realized I was speaking to a classic character that has more posts than achievement points. Rookie mistake on my part.