Fair enough. I don’t see the approach as being entirely without merit either so I can’t really go on restating the points or contexts where I disagree with it. There are definitely points where I do the same, to achieve the same goal.
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Again did he own him? it was a cheap attack from his blind side. Again when has the horde won anything in a straight forward manner? it is always a super weapon and a cheap underhanded tactic.
Mean while our racial leader and our strongest characters get pushed around by a single Jaina… our armies barely won aganist a single alliance races(NE), and only won because Tryande wasn’t there.
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When has the Horde not been expansionist and genocidal? If you want to win, stop playing the bad guys.
Eh. He had Malfurion, a purported demigod, dead to rights. I agree the whole sequence felt lame and wasn’t a big “victory” moment for the Horde side of things, which I understand is the spirit of the question you posed, so I’m not saying this to be contradictory in that way.
But he did technically “win”. Blizz is just very good at making wins feel like garbage I guess.
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This is the entire point of the thread… horde players do not want play as the bad guys, it is something blizzard keeps shoving down a throat. Thrall’s horde was never about expansionist and genocidal, thank blizzard for that. Actually horde still isn’t expansionist…
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Then Don’t play Horde.
Oh really? All that deforestation in Vanilla doesn’t count then? Sylvanas doing experiments on living people? Forsaken attacking Arathi? What exactly was so honorable and good about Thrall’s Horde?
I do not know why you seem so irritated.
To your first advice, yes I do not see my self playing horde for long and in that case wow it self. If that is what blizzard wants then they are down the right track.
Second I mentioned Thrall’s horde, forsaken weren’t really a part of it until wow. What wasn’t honorable about thrall’s horde? They settled in the most desolate land to redeem their people, they helped saved the world, reached out to make make peace with the alliance multipal times, only reason there was peace was because of thrall. Furthermore Thrall’s horde saved the dark spear and Taruens.
Also ashenvale was invaded due to starvation, high and might NE refused to trade due to the wrath gate because Varian declared war on the horde.
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Bruh…
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If you don’t want to have tragedy, don’t play Night Elf.
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Night Elves are not characterized by tragedy… Unlike the Horde who are characterized by evil. Literally created to be the villains in Warcraft Orcs and Humans.
Astounding.
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Isn’t it just? The Night Elves are just the elected punching bags for Horde and Alliance story telling.
We have been since Vanilla, really. It was a stark shift from the immortal, bull headed defenders of life and enemies of all things dark magic from WC3, but its been 15 years now.
Tragedy informs almost everything about the modern depiction of the Kaldorei.
In fairness, I do think the intent behind what you’re saying is that being beaten into the dirt and spit on by the story non stop is excessive and an abuse of that underpinning to the point of being out of good spirit. Or at least that’s how I feel about it.
I do not know if i would say they are bigger punching bag then say Orcs or trolls. We even went back in time to kill famous orcs lol… While majority of troll tribes have become raid fodder. NE still have more characters then orcs or trolls put together.
I am or was a big night elf fan, why they joined the alliance beats me. They seemed to have more in comon with the tribal orcish horde. versus city dewelling humans/drawfs. I also love how they are okay with arcane magic now, when they were against it.
The most tragic thing to happen to night elfs is them joinng the alliance. Ever since they have been human washed every step of the way. Don’t they sleep at nights now too? to better work with humans?
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Yeah, Night Elves are all about that expantionism and deforestation…
You are not wrong, but they wouldn’t have fit in any better with the Horde. Considering the is aligned with the Undead, and Horde Aligned Night Elf becomes even more absurd.
Now you are just being delusional. An Orc went back in time to steal the accomplishments of the Night Elves, and completely contradict their lore from Warcraft 3.
Tribal horde is all about balance, in rise of the horde. It is mentioned that Drek’Thar could be made fertile and be hidden via shamanism. However the orcs are about balance, and thrall got schooled to not be greedy like humans.
My point unless this has been retconed is orcs are not greedy or about deforestation similar to night elfs. The shredders and horde lumber camps you see are there due to game play reasons. Humans for example are a lot more industrialized then orcs and would cause more deforestation. Same with most alliance races.
Thrall’s horde, was all about balance with its environment and very shamanistic. Maybe all this is retconned and horde is as you say evil. If it is true I hope blizzard would update the horde description to such. So players like me can stop waiting(since freaken MOP) for the horde to have a positive development. I am not trying to stomp the alliance or even win the war. But it would be nice to be heroes in our own story. Horde could be villains to the alliance but at least in it’s own narrative horde should be good.
However about delusional, I guess to each his own. I am not a fan of Rhonin and Broxigar going back in time if that is what you mean. It wasn’t an orc a human did that as well. But atleast orcs got another character other then thrall that was good. Sad he had to die in the book… unlike Rohnin
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It’s all about expansionism, deforestation and conquest… They are nothing like the Night Elves, and it is only Horde players who say otherwise. You can’t come into Ashenvale, cut down massive areas with Goblin shredders, then Kill a nature God, and tell me you are about nature.
Kill a Nature God Via demonic magic, by the way.
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I gave you lore examples, of daily day to day orcish morals. Yet you choose to focus a war time. Where orcs were starving and night elfs refused to trade. Due to no fault of their own.
And if your talking about WC3 then i will mentioned that orcs were attacked first. They saw a forest and needed wood, it is something humans would do. However orcs were attacked without warning, they were not trying to expand or conquest or deforest an area.
In both cases they didn’t attack to expand, conquest or build an empire. Far from it, it was getting the basic resources they need at the time. And they are only in that situation because they are not industrilized and live off the land. Which is similar to night elfs, but night elves can get wood without chopping them.
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Settling in a desolate location, and deforesting their sacred land. Typical orcs to say “We can live here, and if we need stuff, we’ll just take it from our neighbors. After all… We’re entitled to it.”
False, they were killing nature spirits unprovoked.
Debatable… but it doesn’t matter. They still did it. They still came into lands that was not their own, cut down sacred trees, attacked peaceful wisps, and used demon magic to kill a Demi-god of nature.
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Yeah, they had to blow up half the planet before they kicked that habit.
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