Wha- really? God dang it. I’ve only read through Chronicle 1 and snippets of 2. Ugh. I really always assumed it was Varian yelling “I DECLARE WAR ON YOU THRALL THIS IS BAD HOW COULD YOU LET THIS HAPPEN” down there while he was wading through people goo.
… I liked that there was a moment where the Alliance was a clear instigator.
Naw, that would make the Alliance at fault for something. That’s the opposite of Chronicles’ goal to blame the Horde for every single bad thing ever. Like when Sylvanas killed Saurfang the younger at the Wrathgate.
Nope, apparently Jaina was able to resolve the situation, hopes for a non-Cold War/Collaboration were dashed, but open declarations of war did not occur.
Chronicles is pretty broad strokes on anything that the games themselves cover. Its authority to implicitly retcon is subject; it’s usually more likely that it glossed over details than that it was intended to change them.
Yeah I know. But the Horde’s been beaten up by the narrative enough, the last thing I want is a precedent that will be misconstrued as the Horde being a violent and oppressive dictatorship.
I mean, we ARE, but it’s usually been fairly charming and understated, like the Kor’kron overseers in Undercity, and Saurfang’s original gossip text.
Re: undercity resolution. Per page 181 “For the moment, full scale war was averted. But tensions still boiled between the two factions. In the days to come, the Horde’s and the Alliance’s armies in Northrend frequently clashed, though only in small, short lived skirmishes.
I know this is my impression on how Afrasiabi likes to operate and I do sort of assume Blizz as a whole is very broad strokes with how they deal with the narrative.
Details like the foliage doesn’t matter in their painting, just that the forest was green. It just makes the entire story topic one full of eggshells we have to walk over. As fans of this crap we have to be careful of what we say, not only because it might be inferring too much and dipping into the realm of headcanon, but also because half of it might be retconned in the latest statement put out.
My point is just that the objection that ‘the war will end when those not cool with genocide just leave’ overlooks at least those two key things. Horde retribution and risk to general world threats that are prevalent.
Not saying it need be demonstrated in the story. Just that it is there.
If I recall correctly, the Chronicle itself makes no Twilight mention. But that it also uses some wishy-washy words about who hit first. It has been a while.
So, wait. This means then that not even the Broken Front was seen as a catalyst for war? Because JESUS.
Shattering had detailed that it was the TH, though yes, reading Chronicle 3 it does appear per page 196 Garrosh just invaded instead. Cause he wanted to take the resources as “He was not interested in asking the Alliance for resources or trading for them.”
That seems like a pointless retcon that removes some of the nuance from the start of that conflict.
If you mean the Wrath Gate then no.
If you mean the Broken Shore during Legion? No as well?? >.>
I mean… yeah. That’s- That’s what they do, now.
No I mean the Broken Front.
OH MY GOD I CAN DO LINKS NOW WOO.
Oh yeah no that does not count as causus beli either.
It was not seen as catalyst for ‘full scale war.’
It did create the Horde/Alliance hostility that we saw in the Ulduar trailer and it was the justification for the regular faction PVP in Icecrown.
It caused the return to status quo, every day, normal war between the factions. And also the economic sanctions that were mentioned in The Shattering to provide some cover for Garrosh’s seizure of resources.
I remember this- they actually go into in in Garrosh’s short story, don’t they? He threatens to kill the commander who ordered it, iirc.
Not “normal war” just a state of grey era conflict. The more accurate statement would be a Cold War. Such as between the Soviets and the US. Where yes, fire was exchanged when units wandered into territory. However, the conditions for actual war footing had not been met.
Yeah, but first he high fives him for it. Then Daddy Thrall tells him he’s super disappointed. Then Garrosh threatens to kill him for it.
@Saiphas Tomato, tomato… that cliche works better out loud.
If you want to call it “cold war” that’s fine, I’m gonna call it “status quo war” since it seems to be the default state of the game since Vanilla.
I mean, I get it now but I’ve just like… idk. I’ve lived for years figuring war was declared months earlier down in Undercity, so stuff like this made sense to me. War was revving up. We were keeping secrets and attacking on sight and stuff. Where during the bulk of the armistice, prior, things felt much more civil. Despite the skirmishes.
I had this whole context just unravel for me this morning. Now the Broken Front is like, HOLY CRAP. That’s a hot cold war we have going on. I mean this doesn’t strain suspension of disbelief, I lived through a cold war that was threatening to go hot all the time when I was a kid. Its just, wow. Reframing everything is weird.