And the people who voted against him? Are they at fault just for being the losers or something? ![:confused:](https://d38bqls1q93fod.cloudfront.net/en/wow/images/emoji/twitter/confused.png?v=6" ":confused:")
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Good Lord no. Not fully at all. We all do have a responsibility for the zeitgeist we create for ourselves, and for the people we elect, but its always within a reasonable limit. The people who vote against our interests are still our countrymen, though. And we do have some small responsibility to try and engage with them and change their minds or at the very least encourage others more like ourselves to participate. Otherwise weâre just being complacent and whining on the internet about things we do nothing to actively change.
If we really want to insist on keeping the real world topic up, though? I swear on everything I personally hold dear, if Trump makes an entire race of elves go nearly extinct, I will take my personal responsibility and leave the country. I donât care if the Alliance kills me on the spot.
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I. . . donât think it is. Because you were arguing very strongly in favor of âwell the night elves have that land NOWâ earlier, which is deriving justification from the claimed statute of limitations having expired, to defend their aggressive response to the orcs trying to exploit unused resources that the orcs had need of.
It was NEVER âNIGHT ELF PLACE.â It was Highborne place. Elven in general. The fact that you declare that any ancient elven content is by rights yours (and not, for instance, the blood elvesâ and Hordes) demonstrates how totally full of dung you were when you pretended that what I said earlier was exactly what you felt and thought. Ancient night elf and modern night elf are NOT THE SAME. Modern night elves completely transformed themselves.
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It was a Nelf campaign in WC3. It was presented as Night Elf history in World of Warcraft, in any place that mentioned it until Legion. Of course Iâm aware of the shared history blood elves have with night elves but, pardon me while I laugh at you calling me out for BS while while appealing to your own ego in declaring how important elf lore is to you as a Horde player.
Oh, well so good of you to dictate how I think and feel. Youâre a swell person.
Nothing you said about accepting statutes of limitations on sovereignty out of necessity disagrees with what I was saying about accepting statutes of limitations and omitting why I felt that way.
I have routinely agreed the trolls had injustice happen to them when they held lands and the High Elves got the humans to wipe them out and take their land. And I feel there is parity with that and the invasion of Night Elf held land.
But, Iâm done indulging this absurd degree of hostility over here. Iâve had people insulting me over a video game enough for one night.
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Youâve used that phrase several times. I do not think it means what you think it means.
âZero sumâ refers to a scenario in which gain by one party is matched with exactly proportional loss by another- for one to add, the other subtracts, leaving a sum of zero.
It is an accurate description of the writing in any faction war scenario, but it carries no connotation of atrocity nor depravity. Itâs just not fun.
Well, almost accurate. âNegative sumâ would be more accurate, since the things lost have generally been more desirable/important than the things gained.
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Oh right. What a goof on my part. Iâm always doing that with phrases -.-
Thanks!
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Maybe if you didnât spend all your words completely inventing claims about what others have written out of whole cloth you wouldnât get so much hostility. You insist that weâre dictating how you think and feel but let me assure you, your âperceptionsâ have absolutely zero validity when they lead you to interpret material into other peoplesâ writing that clearly isnât there.
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There is actually a term for this that my mind is blanking on, but essentially it explains why people get so risk averse with things they value, but are very meh when it comes to gains when they are not the gains they wanted. gah I am kicking myself for blanking on it. But it perfectly sums up what you are talking about! >.>
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If itâs any comfort at all, I, too, am aware that such a word exists, and can. not. conjure it.
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I didnât do any of what you just said. Jesus. You are doing what you accuse me of, while accusing me of it. Holy crap.
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I think the main reason sheâs having hostility might have to do with:
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Cherrypicking things on other peopleâs posts, taking it out of context to make it look like the person said stuff they never said.
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Strawman arguments.
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Selective ignorance to anything thatâs not convenient to her narrative.
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Using EMOTIONS instead of logic to answer arguments. Like seriously, her M.O is slaping labels, acusing people of stuff and being passive agressive.
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Being obviously biased. And unwilling to even read ALL the repplies.
I leave the question. How do you argue with this? The answer is, you donât.
You were accusing me of being high three steps in. This post is so beyond hypocritical Iâm absolutely in awe.
Donât you have anything else to do instead of making this topic hell?
Really? So, just where did I say, for instance, that elf lore was important to me as a Horde player? Cause I donât see those words in my post.
You spent that post assuming, accusing, and brow beating, and me using âyourâ to address the whataboutism you invoked is your hang up?
What a crock.
Thereâs no trace of whataboutism in there. I invoked no such thing. This is precisely the sort of thing Iâm getting at.
âWhat about how the Horde feels, hypocrite much???â
I said absolutely nothing about how the Horde felt. I said your claim that it was by rights yours was flat out false. It doesnât matter how you feel, the Horde feels, etc. ANCIENT night elves and MODERN night elves are two entirely different constructs. The fact that the kaldorei kept the name is the only real point of similarity. Ancient night elf material doesnât belong to the modern night elves. If the connections are what make belonging than the sinâdorei (and modern high elves too) have it all over the modern night elves. You canât point to history because both sets of elves share the same one when it comes to something as old as Suramar. You canât use Elune because A) thereâs no indication there elves of Suramar still maintain any connection to her and B) even her ancient temple isnât part of Suramar anymore. And you canât use âwell, Tyrande is from thereâ because you claimed âstatute of limitations appliesâ earlier and itâs been 10,000 years.
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As a reply to what I originally said, this misses the mark by so much that I really have nothing left to say. I was speaking externally, as a fan, prior to the new lore being written, and how that new lore was written being a disappointment. Every single line of drivel you just put down, condescendingly explaining that âLike, this is the lore now so you canât feel bad.â is a complete and utter, off the mark, invaliding, wad of garbage. I feel like less of a person now for having read it. Thanks.
It was the lore then too. The night elves completely remade their society after the War of the Ancients. They rejected everything the ancient kaldorei empire built. Thatâs been their story since before the Broken Isles showed up in TFT. The only ânewâ lore that enters into is it that I donât think Blizzard had yet written that the Thalassian elves were descended from the ancient kaldorei and shared their history from back then. I think that didnât get introduced until they wrote their History of Azeroth in-game books for Vanilla. But I could be wrong there, the Exile may also have been included in the WC3 material.