I don’t need a forum rand to tell me which parts of retail are good and which parts arent, but thanks
What a bunch of complete nonsense. WoW turned into a steaming pile of trash BECAUSE the devs listened and catered to the loudest, whiniest, entitled, spoiled brat forum posters. The very same type of players who are now trying to change Classic. The real problem is that Blizzard has never understood the silent majority. They have no idea why the game was so successful and what drew casuals in by the millions.
What it boils down to is that the players and the devs have forgotten this is just a video game. It should be fun. Instead they exhaust endless energy nitpicking every little perceived imbalance and imperfection. I read these ridiculous threads about racials and can only facepalm. Something like a racial is utterly irrelevant, yet the very vocal Professional Complainer forum posters speak as if it’s the end of the world if something isn’t perfectly balanced. Let me tell you something…hardcore players don’t complain about such things. They just deal with it. And casuals don’t care. It’s the spoiled brat posters who will ALWAYS find something to complain about that make such threads.
But that’s just one example. I see absurd post after post in this thread about, ‘That’s not what makes Retail bad, this is what makes Retail bad.’ Obviously those are all personal opinion. And a personal opinion that will never appease everyone, or the majority, or even anybody if Blizz were to cater to the whims of the professional whiners. What makes Retail bad, and what threatens to make Classic bad is the attitude of the players. Like I said…so many have forgotten this is just a game. They fixate and focus and obsess over things that DO. NOT. MATTER. They don’t make the game more fun, more enjoyable, more immersive. They’re just talking points for people who love to espouse theory on the forums.
They just love to conceptualize the perfect mmo, and spend all their energy doing so in a futile attempt rather than just accepting and appreciating the game as it is. You know who doesn’t do that? Players enjoying the game. People lost in the experience. The vast majority…at least back before Blizz alienated and drove such players from the game by kowtowing to the squeaky wheel crybabies.
Let me put it another way…the people demanding changes. The ones saying, ‘Wrath will fail unless Blizz does x, y, z’…those players will NEVER enjoy the game. They will never stop complaining. It doesn’t matter what Blizzard does. If Blizz did exactly what someone says would be the ideal version of Wrath…they’ll find something to complain about. At the very least, they’ll rue the unforeseen outcomes from the changes they made. Though it shouldn’t be unforeseen at all since we have 17 years of experience to look back on and know exactly how it’ll play out.
Ok, done venting. It just gets tiring to listen to the same nonsense from people who clearly don’t want to actually play Wrath. They just want to ignore the past and march proudly down the exact same path the game took the first time around. To be that blind has to be deliberate.
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Yeah, take for example the most common reason people give for quitting retail, the changes to the talent trees. I clearly remember people on the forum loudly whining about how they hate putting talents in more than one tree and wanted blizzard to force people to focus on just one tree. Yup, that whole idea came from the spoiled brat forum posters. Didn’t it?
And a lot of people complained about how Azeroth was destroyed with Cata. If it wasn’t for all the forum posts demanding that blizzard not just create a new area for the next expansion but destroy Azeroth in the process it never would have happened. Lots of posts about that during Wrath, right?
None of that came from the devs. It was forced upon them by the loudest, whiniest, entitled, spoiled brat forum posters.
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You can take the retail out of the game but you cant take it out of the player.
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It took us going back to the ‘original’ method of playing to realize we either:
a) Don’t like it anymore
b) Can’t do it anymore
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Many of the retail changes (particularly the QoL changes) happened due to player demand. It’s no surprise many are being requested again.
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Already too late this dumpster fire of a game called TBC “Classic” is tainted. They couldn’t even let us have this last hurrah.
If we see any of the QoL changes implemented before Wrath it will be because they got overwhelmed with requests… I personally feel like they have the blueprint that they are following and that DOES NOT include anything QoL that wasn’t implemented in Wrath.
I could be wrong?
FvF BGs, early rep PvP gear and honor adjustments are all QoL changes that are new, as was the cancel-your-flight button. We also got the 20 slot backpack for having authenticators on our account.
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Hmmm… but the ones we keep reading about? Dual speck, Transmogrification and early access to DK stuff of this caliber I won’t imagine will be here till Wrath. It’s too good of a selling point. Especially if they don’t give us Wrath for free 
Not everything retail has is bad… Retails biggest issue outside of really bad story telling is the overlapping systems and gold inflation due to unregulated wow tokens.
If they would stop locking players abilities to systems this would greatly help. Imagine if retail Renown was only linked to cosmetic rewards. Or if you didnt have to farm some stupid half banked zerg dungeon to create a legendary item that makes or breaks your DPS. If that crap wasnt in shadowlands, people wouldn’t be so disgusted with it.
Then the prices for things is just stupid because Blizz refuses to lock the gold from WoW Tokens to only give players 10k gold vs. the almost 200k it gives now. It doesnt take an accountant to figure out how to fix the wow economy.
Those things are the only real bad thing about wow. Sure there are other things to complain about. But those two above are what is driving away players from retail over to classic. Some players like myself just want to play the game instead of being played by the game.
Dual spec and early DKs could easily happen during the pre-patch. Dual spec might even happen before. Transmogs? Void Storage? Maybe not yet.
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Go unsub. Stop with this nonsense. You are literally whining like the high school kid from 20 years ago as if you haven’t gotten out of it mentally , but grown into 40 years old man physically.
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I thought you were quitting after TBC, can you stop voicing your terrible opinions on Wrath-related topics as well thanks
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Only if you evolve into something more than your average forum troll.
Looks like ill be here awhile.
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This is why I’ve skipped BC, at least until I’m done with Classic, which’ll be years. BC is definitely a mid point between say Cata and Classic, but the travel time is still somewhat reduced, APM is bumped up only a small bit (but that may be due to BC being max level content), and it’s completely linear. However TTK IS still largely the same and there is still danger somewhat in the open world.
It’s Classic gameplay one can no longer find, for BC gameplay we have options still.
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I hold that they didn’t like it the first time but didn’t realize cause it was the hawt new thing and all their friends were there.
Did that with D&D and even Minecraft.
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News Flash: people already play this game like retail. Sorry to burst your bubble.
Ah yes, the extraordinary argument of, ‘Retail players have taken over. Might as well turn this into Retail.’
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Are there any book series, movies, or video games that have progressed the same story for 17 years and it keeps getting better?
Because I’m looking for something new and would love to hop on that.