Gonna disagree. The majority does do at least lfr and at least M0. You are the outlier. The majority of the player base does something besides questing. You are given multiple paths. You just don’t like those paths. Tough. Nothing more than. A troll here on the forums posting the same crap day after day after day or a Karen full of entitlement. Effort equals reward. There’s no effort put in if you haven’t chosen one of the paths handed to you. You’re not even casual.
That doesn’t quite fix the issue though. If a player blows up a rare then how does having better gear fix that issue? It sounds more like you weren’t able to get there quick enough or you weren’t quick on the draw when it was up. Better gear doesn’t suddenly fix that.
Also, the argument that you don’t “need” better gear comes from the notion that if you were there by yourself and you didn’t have said gear, you couldn’t kill them. Which is far from the case.
From my point of view the game feels better when the player actually tackles harder content and then gets rewarded in power. You get to feel the weight of your time spent in the game doing harder content. Personally, I don’t see an issue with this mentality. You are more than welcome to provide a different perspective though.
They should have advantages though. They overcame obstacles to earn those advantages. It’s not entitlement when they deserve it.
That’s the most ridiculous part of the entire argument, to be honest. It’s NEVER been as easy to hit max ilvl as it is right now, and that won’t change in shadowlands.
I could be the absolute worse player in the entire game, and only have the ability to sit for 30 minutes at a time, and still hit max ilvl, guaranteed, if I used those 30 minute sessions smartly.
Walk to the skinning trainer, get skinning. Go kill random skinnable mobs for 30 minutes at a time when shadowlands launches. Early expansion gold income will be insane, from literally anything you do. Take that gold, and sit on it until carry group prices become reasonable (probably about a month or two into the expansion. Pay to AFK your way through a M+ as you farm your gold.
I just don’t know how easier they could possibly make gearing up, except just mailing it to you as soon as you hit max level lol.
imagine defending ralph when he openly admits to buying +15 carries on his chars.
Everyone does have a path to progress to max ilvl gear, it just involves paying gold 
Edit: HMU on Frostmourne Restricted we won’t be beaten for prices good service friendly guildies.
gold only
5 stars on YELP
While I think most people agree that PVP gearing still needs to be improved, at least in BFA it seemed like you could get decently geared from conquest and there’s the vendor and weekly in SL which will hopefully be an improvement.
That’s the perks of having done the work to get the highest gear. And I don’t recall LFR groups complaining that a couple geared players were carrying the group.
You could get normal raid level loot from WQ, visions, conquest, m+, and raid. The only thing left is giving loot for pet battles, fishing, and afking in SW/Org.
My example about the rare may have been distracting/confusing…
But my point remains that it is a contradiction to say that gear doesn’t matter for casual content, when raiding-geared players sure do have a psychological need to exert their power in that same casual content, even to the point of lessening the experience for lesser geared players. It is like saying, “You don’t need gear for this trivial content because it is so easy anyway… but I need to have it so that I that blow through this content more easily for my convenience and vanity.”
If in Shadowlands it were possible to gear up to a meaningful level through casual activities as it has been for the last few expansions, then there wouldn’t be any issue with my toon out there soloing rares, or holding my own in those random BGs, or making progress in Torghast or whatever and I wouldn’t even be posting here at all.
But the issue is that Blizzard wants to push more players into raiding or rated PvP by dialing back on alternative forms of gear progression, and the hardcore players (who are going to get geared either way) are supporting this decision because they want as many players as possible to stay below them, or they don’t want to have to be tempted to do world quests or whatever content offers some kind of power incentive.
Or, they’re just trying to get through their dailies, pick up a satchel, or carry a buddy like everyone else.
You seem to have the wrong idea. Players aren’t getting geared because they solely want to flex on lower content. I guarantee you if Blizzard made it to where the players didn’t need to partake in monotonous content like World Questing for things like AP, the zones would be quite hollow and empty.
Nobody who’s worth their spit is going to take their Heroic - Mythic gear and then go into content like Heroic Dungeons unless there’s an actual reward for doing so.
All of which give worthless irrelevant gear
Try hards? No you mean the people who are putting in the work to get the gear and dont expect it just handed to them? Those people?
But lets answer your point.
Its not about deserves. Its about reward for effort. If you put the effort in the gym then one day you will bench press 100kg. If you casually rock up to the gym to dawdle, perve on the chicks etc then you wont bench 100kg .
Deserve is very self entitled. If you want to succeed in life then you put the effort in,. If you dont, then dont epect hand outs and dont expect to be on equal footing to those who DO put the work in.
Im up at 4:30 am, i do gym, i then go to work, come home, do gym again then my keys and on raid nights raid. I have a 10mth yr old child and a gf. I work hard and put the effort in.
I dont deserve the rewards, i earnt them
It’s not. Seriously. The difference in the game between raiding (mythic or otherwise) and open world content is night and day. Panders to raiders, no. Creates a system that acknowledges the content difficulty in the game and rewards accordingly, yes.
Seriously … it’s not rocket science. You don’t need mythic level gear for casual content. Your “progression” is tied to the content you’re doing, not the gear itself. The same as raiders hit a point where their progression stalls, casual players will hit it for the content they do.
Will casual players hit cap sooner? Of course. As it should be when doing the easiest content in the game. Your choice at that point is to progress into harder content.
You have no reason or nothing to gain getting mythic level gear for casual open world content unless your endgame is to one shot a world boss.
No raider expects to progress to a point where they one shot a raid boss and no runner expects to get that point for dungeon runs. It’s insanity that casual players actually want gear that allows them to breeze through their chosen content with ease. No raider or key runner expects what casual players do. What are you even playing an MMO for if that’s your end goal?
Worried about Warmode disparity? Sorry … world pvp has never been about equalizing players. It’s the nature of the system.
You don’t need mythic level gear for casual content … and you DEFINITELY don’t deserve it for breezing through the game … and fortunately thanks to Bliz seeing the light, you’re not going to get it.
Just to throw my two cents in this long thread…
I used to think like OP, being a causal myself, but I realized it’s actually bad for the game when in BFA they started giving away heroic raid gear from emissaries.
The primary driving goal in this game is not to just gear your character, but actually outgear as many other characters as you can. This includes doing harder content than whatever pool of players you are competing with, and retaining advantage. Getting better gear faster is many times less enticing than getting better gear period.
However, in PvP I agree with OP. Because in PvP the difficultly is determined by other players, so better gear is not a want, but a must, even in lowest tier of content.
Why can they raid log but I can’t BG log? I used to be able to, now I’m forced into “”“interacting”“” with one of the 3 “esports” end games to not be an undergeared feeder.
They’re just incredibly insecure and need that ego boost. It’s disgusting that devs cater to these peoples every need.
You know why they do though, right? It’s because the casual will see someone with gear be so strong and want to be just like them - they will then realize they need to buy WoW tokens so they can get carries to have this shiny gear because all end game PvE is gatekept by raiders so hard that it’s impossible to get into. They intentionally do this to increase carry sales.
Those are all gate kept by sellers.
See? People just telling people “xD just buy a carry!!”
Mythic raiders are such nice people to have in your game and make the game a better place for everyone! ![]()
My advice would actually be to find yourself a guild. Get a regular group for 5 man’s, and just work your way up to 15s. They’re not that hard, especially once you start to get geared, and your group gets good at working together.
Or, like I pointed out, if for some reason that’s beyond your reach, the failsafe is farm gold for a carry. It’s beyond riciulous to demand access to rewards without putting in the effort. I know the sense of achievement isn’t there, if you just buy it, but it wouldn’t be there either if Blizzard was handing it to you for logging in.
I agree until they fix this we will continue to bleed subs. The raiding end game is eating the rest of the game.
People who say casuals don’t “need” high end gear ironically don’t understand how MMOs work. You’ll always want to make your character stronger, even if you don’t enjoy raiding.
Wouldn’t be sale groups if there weren’t lazy, unskilled casual players looking for a free ride to falsely inflate their ilvl.
Supply and demand, mate. The casuals keep the sale runs going. Not the fault of the guilds that sell. That’s on the people keeping the demand alive.
Your theories about carry runs and why Bliz is making raiding relevant are cute … like watching a dog chase it’s own tail.
Question though: What are you and OP even in a guild for? Do you just sit in gchat spamming toxicity over what other guilds are prioritizing in the game? Talking about how the tryhards are ruining your lives? Do you judge your guildmates for doing harder content than you’re doing or save this inane rambling for the forums? Scream at them when they get higher level gear than you do?
If your guilds support this kind of negativity towards the drive to make challenging content more rewarding than casual fare then that’s a sad commentary for how your GM’s are running the show.
You’re not putting in work. You’re playing a game. Let me lay it out for you:
Chores
Relaxation
Work
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Commute
Relaxation
Relaxation
This is work, but where are they fitting into your schedule? I don’t see them anywhere between working out twice a day and playing WoW.
I see lots of relaxation in your schedule and not much work, to be honest.