I’m more referring to how horde players will often dismiss the deaths of alliance civilians/citizens while talking about how Sylvanas should be saved or how it should be allowed to essentially return to status quo afterwards just with a new warchief. Or will talk like alliance lives don’t matter as much as horde ones simply because they’re alliance as though they hold less inherent value due to being on the opposite side of the field.
Well, to be fair … part of this in Cata was due to their desire to diversify the Horde questing experience. It was … not the best. If you were one of the Kalimdor Horde yah tended to just be railroaded through the same questing gauntlet with no real variety. And, you are right … the Horde doesn’t have in the much in the way of locals as the Alliance.
That being said … I’ve all but given up hope of ever seeing the Undermine for my favorite PC race (and Kezan gets rebuilt only to become a dungeon; something we share with our Gnomish counterparts it seems). The majority of Goblin content in this game is weirdly … Steamwheedle in origin? It also doesn’t help that many other factions of our core races happen to be Villain Factions (man, I would absolutely love the see Gun’drak rebuilt to its former Glory. In terms of impressive civilizations in game, few conceptually were as grand as the Drakarri Empire).
I want nothing more than for Blizz to fully commit to Sylvie being Sylvie and for her to be “pragmatic” and betray the ever loving crap out of the Horde in the name of her true objectives lol.
It would be such a Sylvie thing to do if she found a method to thwart her afterlife with this conflict; at the expense of the Forsaken and Horde. What happens to a “Bulwark Against the Infinite” if it ceases to be of use (or worse) fails in its core purpose? Think it gets discarded just like Sylvie’s “Arrows in her Quiver” almost did? Though, I do get your concern where many Horde players do seem rather … quick to disregard Alliance civilian deaths (I’m not, but I am one of those that places FAR more value in the civilians lost at Teldrassil than that Tree itself).
EDIT: Read this wrong, retyping my reply.
Given a bit to think on it, I could come up with at least a couple other times when the “PC as Protagonist” narrative takes a nose dive; battle grounds, dungeons, being unrecognized in Dalaran in spite of the two years I spent using that as my base of operations while fighting the Lich King’s forces, paladins holding Corrupted Ashbringer while being given Ashbringer, doing BfA quests out of order and seeing Vol’jin’s spirit hanging out before I learned Vol’jin’s spirit had even returned, and so forth all come to mind.
But boosties really highlight the “PC as Stand-In” point the best, because most of us have seen it first hand; your freshly boosted done-nothing level 100 anyclass being trusted with a powerful artifact from time immemorable, or a freshly boosted 110 whose greatest accomplishment to date was escaping the boat still parked over the broken isles is now being given the responsibility of nurturing the very heart of Azeroth itself.
Other things might break the role of the PC’s place in the game better, but none will sound as hilarious.
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The Horde is that right now.
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Its almost like im not my avatar. The RP forum is that way ----->
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Your being dishonest here, or forgetting key information.
Garrosh betrayed us and the Horde first by attempting to have Voljin assassinated and considering the PC as acceptable collateral damage to murder as well.
Meanwhile Baine is the one who struck first orchestrating the murder of Horde forces and illegal seizure of a horde flagship, in order to aid the enemy who just murdered an allied nation’s king.
At the end of the day while Slyvanas does morally evil things, she still hasn’t betrayed the members of the Horde.
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She seems to be working with old gods.
How is that not a betrayal?
I wish Blizzard would have the guts to let us actually be traitors. I’d happily burn this Horde nonsense to the ground.
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Both Horde and Alliance PC “Say Hi”. Using the Black Blade to her advantage doesn’t make her any worse or more treasonous than the PC.
At the moment I wouldn’t call sacrificing our little navy to take out the bulk of the Alliance Navy, betraying the Horde. A cold military strategy, yes, but re-leveling the playing field to nobody has enough ships when the Alliance was about to have naval dominance defiantly helps the Horde.
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Sorry, your not the fun the fun police. That doesnt change the observation either that you are playing a race even who loyalty to the Horde is questionable at best.
I play lots of races, some of them are even Alliance.
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While I won’t be surprised if it turns out to be the case that she’s allied with Azshara and N’zoth, we have no actual confirmation of that.
She currently has the Black Blade, but so did a shadow priest working with the Horde and Alliance. And unlike then, Xal’atath has left the blade. Whether it’s still a tool of the old gods without its inhabiting presence is unknown. So at best, she’s using a tool a hero of Azeroth used.
A lot of people interpret the Nazjatar cinematic where Nathanos is smirking because he knows of Azshara’s plan ahead of time based on a smirk people think he has right before the waters part, but that is just an interpretation. Nathanos’s dialog after doesn’t hint at forewarning or foreknowledge.
Beyond that we have even less grounded speculation. Just a knife.
I’m not saying I doubt she’s going to pull some diabolic evil using the blade in the end raid cinematic, an evil that aides N’zoth, but thus far it’s all player speculation.
You’re playing a race whose history involved “accidentally” leading the Burning Legion to inhabited worlds, full of races for them to conquer and subsume. You’re playing the same class the original orcs warlocks started with before going down the road of demon summoning. This informs me that you are a Legion sympathizer and thus your points are irrelevant. Clearly you’re just trying to further the cause of Sargeras.
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The legion was following the draenei. They werent leading them anywhere.
The same class as the one who of the founder of the current Horde. You should probably be worshipping my feet.
If you knew Cthulhu was following you and would eventually stop where you’re stopping, would you stop in an open field where he won’t take any innocent lives, or would you stop in the middle of a daycare?
Don’t answer that. You’re a draenie. You’d clearly say you’d stop in the field, but you’ll actually crash into the daycare and not tell the children Cthulhu’s coming.
Except he learned it because he respects the elements. Your people learned it because the Light stopped liking your malformed brothers and you thought it’d be neat to emulate the orcs. Who at that time were still drinking demon blood.
You sir are no Thrall. You are at best a Ner’zhul, but more likely a Gul’dan.
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I wonder how long they could have lived on just the ships i imagine they werent meant for indefinite habitation.
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Said Cthulhu was going to go to said daycare sooner or later, also, no court in the world would blame a victim trying to escape a killer just because he ran into the middle of street and said killer shot someone else.
And while we are on the topic of draenei, the blood elves wouldn’t even have their precious well again if not for Velen.
“But shamanism is an orcish practice!” one of the audience called out. Others joined in concurrence.
“Yes. A practice they abandoned in favor of communing with demons. Now we will journey the shaman’s path, a path that will lead us to a future where no one will kill our women…”
Nobundo paused, keeping his voice steady.
“Or our children. Where Krokul and unaffected will work together to realize a dream that has long been forgotten by our people: true freedom.”
If anything the draenei took up shamanism precisely because the orcs abandoned it and someone needed to actually help calm the elements.
If anything we are better than Thrall who have lost his powers. Nobundo got his powers at a time of unimaginable crisis on Draenor. Thrall lost his shamanistic powers.
So your justification for leading the Legion to inhabited worlds is that you keep getting away with it? Nice. Good work, Gul’dan.
Yup. Like Nobundo said; follow the paths of the orcish shaman, a path where no one will kill your women.
Because you’ll kill them first, right after you make pacts with the Legion. Just like the orcish shaman did. Whose path you’re following. Well done, demon-worshipper.
Know who else suddenly got a bunch of power? Your idol, Gul’dan.
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Are you letting her off the hook for Saurfang and Thrall?