I’m fine with Classic tbc. for Classic+ I would love to see them add to the current Classic but not leave these lands… They have a very large area under Karazhan that looked like it could have been for a raid at one time. Karazhan it’s self could be reworked to a 60 man raid. Several area’s could have raids added or things to do.
I have more of an issue with the nerfing of the old world.
New devs come on the team with their new stuff, and it’s like they think they should trash the old stuff. They actually try to drive the playerbase into the new content.
That is your opinion and I disagree, nothing stopping you from walking everywhere and the world will be as large as you want it. Stop trying to force everyone to play your way
I disagree. There were millions of new subscriptions and no level boosts so they all started at level one and played through vanilla to 60 before they could start BC. While I was leveling my two mains through BC I leveled up two more alts through vanilla and all the areas of Azeroth were crowded.
Classic + would be more about finishing all the planned raids and things that were meant to be in vanilla originally (grim batol, karazhan, emerald dream, etc.), as well as finishing the zones that were unfinished, such as Feralas.
The world only gets smaller by adding flying and “new continents,” which would not be a part of classic+.
Can’t agree regarding Classic+ shrinking the world. The entire point of Classic+ is that it would add content to Azeroth that was planned by Blizzard but never delivered on in Vanilla (Karazhan, Grim Batol, Uldum, etc).
If blizz was to sit down with TBC and Wrath (and nothing beyond those 2)
And say OK, let’s look are retooling these two expansions to be an actual progression of classic, rather than just POOF have an expansion.
And by retool, i mean re-evaluate everything, gear, spells, abilities, mobs etc, so that going to hellfire with out having really worked for it in classic results in a death sentence, and hellfire quest greens dont nearly make a laughing mess out of the high end lev 60 instance and raid gear.
And then do the same thing with wrath, so that it is an actual progression
that you worked for and earned, and there was no easy ticket, it might be cool, at least seemed so in discussion.
When you go through the dark portal, the words “You are not prepared”
should mean something and stand as an ominous warning to anyone casually poking their heads in.
Ditch all the normal “Get you all caught up” aspects that expansions normally have, if you aint prepared, well…
…Then you die horribly on entry.
It would be a large task to do it right but could be worth it.
This isn’t serious, right? 40-man raids were scrapped because managing 40 people at once is harder than the actual raid itself. It’s just too many. I’m not saying Karazhan’s limit of 10 is the correct response, but there’s literally zero chance of them doing a 60-man raid.
I understand why people want this, and I agree with the sentiment, but it just doesn’t work. If you require that people raid vanilla content before they can get to TBC, people just won’t bother. That will prevent all but very few people (relatively speaking) from playing. Just think: someone started playing during WotLK and wants to play classic WotLK. They haven’t played anything before it. Now you’re going to require them to level up through vanilla, run MC/BWL/whatever else, then level up through TBC, then gear up in a few raids from there, and THEN they can start doing the content they actually signed up to do? It’s a non-starter.
(I’m not saying to make the leveling process easier, of course that’s critical, but requiring raids on top of normal leveling to access leveling content is the thing that just wouldn’t work.)
You perhaps would not have to make it so everyone was hard core MC etc geared, but i would at least like to see them have to have gone through the instances and such.
I liked BC and i liked Wrath, but one thing i did not like about either
is you just took a crap toon, that you just quickly leveled high enough to get in the zone, and poof, quest greens made it all ok, and so you had this big bail out of original content.
The above would keep the prior content still very relative and active.
Keep in mind, some of the people talking about it did start in TBC or WOTLK, and so did take the free level ups etc, and were saying how they never played through any of the classic stuff and never realized that it could be challenging.
The problem with this is that guilds are going to move on from vanilla as soon as TBC releases. You wouldn’t be able to find a group to run it, which would leave people stuck waiting for 40 people to show up just so they can run old content to move on to the new stuff. That would be miserable.
This would also make your ability to play new content based on RNG–someone could get really unlucky and not be able to play TBC content just because their gear isn’t dropping after 4 or 5 runs. Blizzard could get around this, however, by just making it a quest instead of requiring the gear.
Finally, a lot of people don’t play WoW to raid. They play it for PvP, or they prefer to play alone (unless there’s content that requires a group, like elite quests). Forcing everyone to run raids would make those people very unhappy.
I think we could talk all day about what each of us wishes to have/not have in the game. No way in the world Blizz could please everyone on all levels.
I had kind of an epiphany today watching the new expac stuff. It’s an entirely different world than we started out with. I really enjoy the LoTResque atmosphere of the game through Wrath…and maybe even not so much BC (though I have to say MoP was enjoyable…fight me). I’m tired of us against the universe. I’m good with us against the threats in our little ol’ world of Azeroth.
I guess I’m just feeling a bit of letdown on the cinematic today…first time ever I have not been super excited by an expac announcement after seeing the cinematic. Stuff’s just getting weird. Sorry for the derail…carry on.
Most people are asking for BC servers. Your character would remain on your classic server, and you could reroll on a BC server or maybe copy your character over from classic.
As far as classic+ is concerned, there are so many possibilities and so many opinionated classic players who want this but don’t want that that they could never satisfy the majority.
I don’t expect to like every part of a game nor do I expect everyone to like the same parts I do. One of my complaints about retail is they force me to do parts of the game I hate, like vehicle quests.
I can have fun leveling up and running 5 mans in classic. I don’t intend to do raids. 40 people in a raid isn’t fun for me. I’m looking forward to BC but if I have to raid to get there I’m done with classic.
I have my main, my holy priest. She levels up and does a lot of dungeons. I like 5 person runs and I’ll do them over and over again. But I have several other alts. They do different things. I love questing with my rogue. I love stealthing around buildings and exploring nooks and crannies. I waste a lot of time just looking around. But my rogue doesn’t do 5 man dungeons. So I can’t play my rogue the way I want, I have to do dungeons to advance to BC? My hunter is just a farming alt for my priest. He quests to level up but mostly he just grinds and grinds and grinds. He gathers herbs to make potions for my priest. He farms cloth for her so she can do her tailoring. He spends his time doing what ever she needs. So I can’t take him into BC because he didn’t run dungeons or raid?
It won’t happen but if you got your way I’d quit wow classic just like I quit wow retail.
Well, yeah, that’s typically how progression works. Just like how when you were in high school, you weren’t going back an sitting in your 4th grade class. And now that you’ve graduated, you’re not getting up to go to high school anymore.
It’s not just the sizes/cities of expansions. Flying mounts meant flying over everything. Teleporting meant teleporting past everything. To fill the gaps, they simply cross realmed everything, rather than merge up realms like they should have. Even when you see other players, they aren’t from your realm, so it’s really just an illusion. Cross realming should have stayed with battlegrounds/arenas, AND THAT IS IT.
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