I mean… it’s broken. They literally changed the map to fix it. This is like having a conversation with a flat earther.
edit: And by the way, I’m not asking for them to fix it. I’m a #nochanges guy myself. It is what it is… but that doesn’t mean you get to pretend it is balanced.
Nah a 90% winrate and 3hour que time is completely normal and working as intended
Or worse, having a conversation with a retail casual.
Even in retail horde wins more often, that’s because horde players are better.
The numbers don’t lie, you’re just in denial.
I have one exalted character and two revered, one of those being Horde. The map is clearly imbalanced. Can I be mad since the level 51 can’t?
there was a time when alliance ALWAYS won av. the horde has adapted, but the alliance has not. you will continue to lose until you figure out how to counter them…
the problem is not the map or reinforcements lol
Some people might argue with you, but the horde are absolutely better players … at least they are better than the Alliance that are doing AV. I have seen some jaw dropping stuff as Alliance in AV… just absolutely bizarre decision making from my fellow players.
So I think if they did fix the map horde would still win a ton unless some of the good alliance started coming back… but lets be real here… the map favors horde.
Actually it is, the map favors horde so much that horde can get a near 100% win rate when they want(which is what’s happening now in classic). Alliance simply stopped queuing(which is what’s happening now in classic) and horde started to not take advantage of the map as much(we’ll see if this happens in classic or if horde queues just keep increasing).
I would be quite surprised if that were the case. Any YouTube search for “Asking people questions” will likely dip your confidence level in this 
FWIW, I was curious as to what the changes were to AV, historically, so I just did a search through the patch notes.
This is from patch 2.4.0:
Prior to that, some other patches that include changes to AV are:
Don’t Play AV as alliance. Theres no reason to with a broken map and no way to even the disadvantage. We play AB and WSG. Sorry if you are just finding this out.
Is this lie supposed to fool anyone? Any main raider that played AV at its release knows that premades won 99% of games easily. These very boards were filled with horde crying about the premades. You can even search and still find those threads that are now locked.
This lie fools no one. You werent winning anywhere near 50% when the premades were running
Give us pre 1.12 AV, one of the things I was most excited for in classic were the massive 3 day long games. 1.12 is probably the worst iteration of the BG, which is why it lasted for such a short period.
I am better than Qpon.
I am better than frozen chicken fingers.
Seriously, every time a player wants something “fixed” in Classic, only one thought comes to mind: You thought you did, but you didn’t.
they will in 2.3
The horde cave was moved only after the entire win condition of the battleground was resigned.
Moving the horde cave without the respawn system would not only be non-vanilla…it would also be a version of the map that has never existed…ever. Anyone saying that version of the map would be better is speculating at best.
What are the negatives of moving the cave back for horde? Some positives would be shorter q’s and more competitive games, seems like kind of a good thing.
The negatives are that it is a non Vanilla and completely untested version of the map. No one knows if games will be more competitive or not…that version of the map has never existed without the respawn system.
Artificial q times for alliance is also non vanilla but was changed, because it fixed a glaring problem. 90% win rates and 3hour q times is also a problem.
You don’t need to be a rocket scientist to know that having both sides reach the middle of the map at the same time will only help balance. Having one side being able to cap the neutral middle gy b4 the other can even reach it is an obvious and easily remedied advantage.
“No one knows if balancing the map will produce balanced games” When u can just look at AB or WSG and see what balanced maps can provide, competitive games with normal win rates.
AV will be just fine when the caves moved back, you dont need to be afraid of it cause it’s"untested" lol
I’m worried that moving the cave back won’t actually change anything. Blizz will put the resources in retrofitting a version of the map that has never existed before and Alliance will still give up and afk out and still lose.
And the only thing we would have accomplished is wasting resources that could have been better spent elsewhere.