My god. These need an overhaul.
Either better rewards or just delete them or remake them for smaller sizes.
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We need more Epic BG’s. They are awesome and epic!
If anything we need a few more. If you don’t like Epic BG’s stick with Random BG’s.
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The only fix we need for Epic BG’s is to bring back blacklisting. I love AV and Isle, but the thought of getting trapped in Wintergrasp keeps me from joining the Epic BG queue.
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Yes cause av is epic with the run past each other tower cap spam boss
Or IoC which is hanger fight then its over
Or WG’s sunken ruin team fight then over
They are clown fests that are lopsided boring slogs
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I prefer ashran myself. Only epic bg that i enjoy
But its artifact team fight then over just like the others
Epic BG’s were ironically better in Shadowlands… which blows my mind.
Half way through the expansion we literally got massive updates to all Epic Battlegrounds to make them actually functional and PvP oriented.
Dragonflight hit, and all these updates just got forgotten and nothing we tuned properly.
EDIT
This seems to be the last time Epic Battlegrounds got any maintenance.
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Yea cause glaives arent just made of paper lmao. Healers kill them
we have Arena at home.
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Agreed!
Moving past the upcoming BG, i’m excited to see what the next epic will be. I love them as I feel they really embody a true war.
Wait were these changes pushed through? or dropped?
Ashran; to the dismay of many, is my favorite actually. Here recently Ive also have loved my isles games.
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They all need a better comeback mechanic, and the back door paths fixed. I’m not sure if they’re an issue now, but Ashran in SL was to skip everything, but go straight to the boss.
AV is very similar in that pattern too, stand on AFK hill and hope your team can cap towers and GY, or turtle and lose.
When they did AV anniversary it was great, balanced, the comeback mechanic was freshened up and fun. Spending time to summon the boss actually helped push the opposite back.
However that mechanic hasn’t been updated since in epic BG, I think the boss itself is still like 20 levels below, or one shot 
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I would seriously consider overhauling PvP from the ground up, which isn’t the most efficient way, and very costly on the team and budget. If I was in charge and had a large budget I’d sever pvp spell book and class talents from pve/pvp. It would definitely split the player base, but it already is at this point in time. With multiple classic iterations going on at the same time, and warmode already is its own instance so this idea isn’t too far fetched.
I would do this so the class balance team doesn’t have to juggle keeping things balanced/working with each and every talent for pve/pvp. They can create their own set that only works in PvP, which they already have done, I’d just do the entire tree or what class needed it the most.
But regardless the epic BG’s ashran, wintergrasp, AV need an overhaul.
They need their comeback mechanics updated and rewarding to have your team go push and do.
That’s really the glaring issue I see.
I wanna add one more note, I don’t think having to go do PVE objectives in a PVP game mode is fun at all. Specifically targeting Ashran in this case, I think AV is a well balance because both sides will partake in defending or offense on taking over objects. Ashran from my experience is running in a circle, collecting ogre stones. It’s not fun.
Edit: also when you see a match coming to a turtle it makes sense to just leave, I’d rather eat a 15 min CD, then suffer 25-30 mins for an incoming loss, and I can go do something else productive with my time.
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They were pushed, along with a hotfix that required at least 3 towers in Alterac Valley to be desteoyed for the boss (Van/Drek) to be killable… I can’t find the Alterac Valley notes though I’ve been looking.
These changes made Epic Battleground such a complete experience. Ashran was so good, every part of the map was utilized, artifact collecting, Ogre Boss fought for, killing the mage mattered, people guarding the solar sphere in the mines, etc.
Now Ashran is just a boss rush… literally zero mechanics.
Shadowlands was the first time in years I saw the Frost Lord boss thing summoned (for non-meme reasons) in Alterac Valley, it was awesome.
This is the main thing I’d want fixed. It feels like whoever is gonna win is determined in the first 5-10 minutes of the bg and half the losing team leaves after the initial battle. It sucks being stuck on the losing team doing nothing since everyone loses motivation and no one tries to win.
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Exactly, I hope they’re working towards that. But who knows anymore, I don’t even want new maps I just want the comeback mechanics better, it’ll make epic BG’s way more entertaining too.
As times change these old style battlegrounds are becoming more and more dated.
I’m pleased to learn that you are a man of culture.
I don’t know what Ashrans you’re getting into, the last time I remember a straight out of the gate boss zerg succeeding was when I happened to get into one with premaders.
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your horns changed.
Huh I never changed them. I think your drunk again.
darn tooting i am. come at me you massive tree trunk.totems is drunk and so am i.