At this point everyone knows how trash SP are in PvP. Everyone knew the recent changes weren’t going to make a difference and guess what? We were right. Stop with the meme tuning and give us significant damage buffs.
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There’s no utility to rely on. You’re 100% reliant on a healer.
Flash heal, shield, dispersion heal, desperate prayer, all heal for nothing. Once dispersion is over, you’re done. There’s no way to make a play or prolong a game.
Look at the “damage” sw:d does. Compare that to the health pool of a fully geared player. A dungeon boss. A raid boss. It’s actually comical at this point. And all of our sw:d talents, don’t actually empower it lol. One damages you for less. One sprinkles the enemy twice. The other one gives you a second sprinkle or something. So you can’t even build an execute setup
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It’s not the utility or survivability, Spriest is still very tanky for a caster. It’s 100% the lack of kill potential damage in a burst meta and a lack of a spammable CC after removing horror. Every other caster can spam CC while doing damage to peel or set up a kill. We are locked into the faustian deal of having MC.
But at least we can sometimes DC people with it. 
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SW Death needs to be meaningful, need another cc and make pw shield absorb as much as frost shield. If we’re this weak, we need to be the tankiest caster. And please spam report the bug where tentacle slam only applies madness and none of the other dots. Makes the buff pointless.
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I feel like I’m being gaslit when I’m told that my interpretation of reality is wrong or incorrect. I’ll give you the benefit of the doubt and just assume we have different play styles for the same spec.
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I mean if you look at it objectively shadow heals 4% of it’s HP every 3 seconds when it’s focused, has a cheat death, can have up to a 20% DR on top of a 6% magic DR, and can disperse while stunned. Even though it isn’t as good as retribution, mass dispel can also get your healer out of most forms of CC during a go. DP is mid, but the increased HP pool is nice. Shield is just a speed buff, it’s not currently a major defensive from shadow. Icy veins ranks shadow survivability as “great”.
In terms of utility the situation is much better than it is in PvE. Purge and MD are extremely strong against certain specs, especially mages that rely on getting value out of alter and IB. SWD and Fade make you one of the hardest DPS to CC.
But shadow does have the big problem of lacking kill potential and losing the ability to set up their own gos, which is why it’s reliant on playing with a rouge, feral, etc. The dispel protection on Madness is also still the worst in the game. As a healer you can just dispel on CD and heal through their pad damage. They aren’t scary to stand out in the open against since they have to waddle at you to land CC.
IMO a good first step would be to make dominate mind work like sleep walk in PvP. Just give us a peel like everyone else. You can sit there and pump on shadow and still watch your team mate die, or get smashed all game because you have no way to control melee DPS. If you get partnered with someone that doesn’t have strong CC or doesn’t press a stun for you to chain off of, you’re cooked.
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I’ve played sp along time. I know what a dispersion heal should feel like. Same with flash heal and everything else. Our self heals are in the gutter.
Sidenote: VE does feel sufficient in keys.
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